Four Years of "MI5 Persecution" Posts on Internet Newsgroups

For approximately the first three years of the MI5 persecution, from June
1990 until late 1992, I kept as quiet as possible, in the hope that by not
reacting, MI5s interest in me would decrease and they would simply go away
of their own accord. This is the sort of behaviour some people employ
against bullies; if the bullies arent getting a reaction, then they might
simply go away and victimize someone else.

Unfortunately, this tactic didnt work. The quieter I became, the more
shrill and hysterical the noise from the Security Service operatives. For
about two years I didnt watch TV news at all. Yet this only heightened
their obsessed fixation; they continued to follow me wherever I went, they
continued to induce harassment at work by managers and fellow workers, and
they continued to encourage me to commit suicide. They seemed to regard my
refusal to react as a crime which they would have to "put right" by ever
more extreme forms of abuse.

Finally, in 1995, I changed tactics radically. Since late 1994 I had had
accounts with internet providers in Ontario, Canada. I discovered the
cornucopia of internet newsgroups, on every topic from consumer
electronics, to politics and legal topics, and I discovered online
services such as Compuserve and AOL. In May 1995, I made the first posting
to the conspiracy newsgroup, on the subject of "BBCs Hidden Shame".

BBC's Hidden Shame

The internet newsgroup discussion, which has now reached its fourth
anniversary, started with an article in alt.conspiracy, which I reproduce
here.

Date: Thu May  4 18:27:24 1995
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: BBC's Hidden Shame

Remember the two-way televisions in George Orwell's 1984? The ones which watched you
back? Which you could never get rid of, only the sound could be turned down?

Well the country which brought Orwell into the world has made his nightmare follow into
the world after him. Since 1990 the British have been waging war against one of their
own citizens using surveillance to invade privacy and a campaign of abuse in the
transmitted media in their efforts to humiliate their "victim".

And the most remarkable thing about it is that what they do is not even illegal - the
UK has no laws to protect the privacy of its citizens, nor does it proscribe harassment
or abuse except in the case of racial abuse.

A lot of people in England know this to be going on, yet so far they have maintained
perfect "omerta"; not a sound, not a squeak has escaped into the English press, and for
all the covert harassment absolutely nothing has come out into the public domain.

Have the British gone mad? I think we should be told

At this point, I did not name MI5 as my persecutors. I was still unsure
that they were the ones responsible for the "psychological terrorism". In
followup posts however I did name them; and the persecutors have never
denied the claim; so I think my guess is valid. (The Security Service
Tribunal in 1997 have said "no determination in your favour was made", but
it is a well established fact that MI5 lies routinely to the Tribunal
which has never found in favour of a plaintiff, so no conclusions can be
drawn from this.)

This first post was made to alt.conspiracy, but further posts were made to
the UK-local newsgroups, in particular uk.misc but also uk.legal and
uk.politics (which is now called uk.politics.misc). Some time ago I tried
to take the battle to the Compuserve forums, UKPOLITICS (which is now
called UKCURRENT - current affairs), but my articles were censored by the
forum operators. Such censorship is impossible on the internet newsgroups.

Police Refuse to Act

I have complained several times to the Metropolitan Police, who have each
time refused to help.

From: Green <Gr...@guidion.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.politics,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution: Why Aren't the British Police Doing Their
Job?
Reply-To: Gr...@guidion.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun Apr  7 21:13:30 1996

In article <DpIE0r.736.0.bl...@torfree.net>
           bu...@torfree.net "Mike Corley" writes:

I doubt that the police are actually being leant on, but they probably realise that if
they looked into this, they would be leant on hard. The met always stays away from
anything that looks like it has Defence, Security or secret service interest already,
because they realise that they are below these government agencies in the general
pecking order.

If I walked into my local nick and complained that MI5 were snooping on me, they would
show me the door without even looking at my evidence, because that bored desk seargant
with only five years to go before he retires doesn't want to start fucking about with
somebody who has incurred the wrath of Stella Rimington.  He would rather deal with the
lost dogs and driving licence producers, eat his cheese and pickle sandwiches and piss
off home at the end of his shift than have some high ranking spook having a go at his
boss and getting him a bollocking.

In short, you have earned much sympathy but little surprise.  Just remember that saying
about the enemy of your enemies.

Most recently, I wrote in March 1999 to Charing Cross Police Station
CID. They did not acknowledge or reply to my letter. When I phoned them
up, the detective Id written to treated me to a sadly not unusual display
of police bigotry, with an uneducated rant about "your paranoid rubbish".

It would be nice to think that such uneducated bigotry is  something other
than wholly typical of police behaviour, but unfortunately that is an
illusion that is rapidly dispelled.

Uncorruptible Jon Snow of Channel Four News

From previous articles the reader will know what I think Jon Snow has
recently been watching me while he reads Channel Four News in the
evening. Recently I digitized a few moments of one such broadcast, where
his face twists into a smile, without there being anything in the news
broadcast to cause merriment. Here is a usenet post from some time ago on
MI5s "bought and paid for" tools in the so-called "free" press.

: "BBC, MI5, same thing."

Can't disagree with that sentiment.

Wasn't it documented that MI5 sometimes "bought" journalists and broadcasters?
I remember reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra
tax-free income by MI5 to become their covert mouthpiece, and had refused.
........................................................................... ..

--
\/ David Boothroyd. Socialist and election analyst. Omne ignotum pro
magnifico.
British Elections and Politics at
http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html
I wish I was in North Dakota. Next General Election must be before 22nd May '97
The House of Commons now : C 324, Lab 272, L Dem 25, UU 9, PC 4, SDLP 4, SNP 4,
UDUP 3, Ind 1, Ind UU 1, Spkrs 4. Government majority = 1. Telephone Tate 6125.

Corrupt Security Service agents steal millions from taxpayers

Money is of course a factor in the grand equation which is the MI5
persecution. It costs money for the Security Service to "buy" people in
the media etc. But that is only a small part of their expenditure of
taxpayers resources. Most of the expenditure is directly on the salaries
if the agents involved; and in this post I put forward the theory that MI5
are trying to draw out their involvement for as long as possible, very
cynically, to maximise their income and line their own pockets.

At each stage they have tried to pretend that I am something out of the ordinary.
Either I was very stupid ("he's an idiot") or very clever ("he's like a genius").
Either I was a threat to Western civilization (Levin once referred to me as the next
Hitler) or I was completely defenceless ("a soft toy").

Now, it should be obvious to any person with common-sense that I am not out of the
ordinary in any way. I have an IQ which is average for the Web, I am racially white
European, and there are plenty of other people with schizophrenia or epilepsy out there
who haven't been targeted for MI5 attention, so why me?

I think the answer is that the MI5 agents who harass me have cynically exploited the
situation by painting me as extraordinary in order to assure themselves of well-paid
employment funded by the ordinary British taxpayer. To put it bluntly, they are
stealing millions of pounds from the taxpayer to feed their own pockets.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/301107_mexican_flag...
__________________________________________________________________
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS DO? ...

  "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
without resource; except in their courage and
despair ..."

-- Alexander Hamilton

  "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
 arms."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
protect themselves against tyranny in government."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
so now let us show them we can fight like men also."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
any government, and to protect its free expression should
be our first object."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "We in America do not have government by the majority.
  We have government by the majority who participate."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
good conscience to remain silent."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Every government degenerates when trusted to the
rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
its only safe depositories."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "In matters of style, swim with the current; in
matters of principle, stand like a rock."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
going to do."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
free state."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Action will delineate and define you."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
from which they draw their gains."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
 to our liberties than standing armies."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Experience demands that man is the only animal which
devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
the general prey of the rich on the poor."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
of government those entrusted with power have, in time,
and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "If the American people ever allow private banks to
  control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then
  by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all
   property until their children wake-up homeless on the
   continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power
   should be taken from the banks and restored to the
   people, to whom it properly belongs."
   -- Thomas Jefferson

  "If ye love wealth better than freedom, the tranquility of
servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from
us in peace.
  We ask not your counsels or arms.
  Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you.
  May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen."

  -- Samuel Adams

PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

www.predatoryaliens.com
www.immigrationshumancost.org
www.daylaborers.org
www.alipac.us

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.immigrationcounters.com

www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.escapingjustice.com

Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.deputydavidmarch.com
www.kriseggle.org

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of
freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams
.
  "Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here
are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of
fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax
evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the
crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens
on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal
status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and
possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25%
of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some
areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and
34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."

THAT, my friend, was a GREAT post  !!!!

We had a very wealthy homeowner; home in one of the most wealthy counties in
America,
who flew the Mexican flag from a 30 ft. flag pole in his front yard.

We got him straightened out.

But, now he flies the U.S. flag.    As well as the Greaser flag  !!!!
.

God Bless America !

McDaveOfMerryland
===============================================================

"George Washington Admirer" <guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:475295d7$0$24301$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

That cannot happen because most of them cannot even be identified.  We have
absolutely no way to identify the legal citizens in this country and the
illegal flood is pouring in from around the world.

It is a grim scenario.   Mexico (a wealthy nation) has an extremely
agressive police against the People of the U.S. of A..   The best of our
military are halfway around the world fighting and dying in nebulous,
bizarre, battles with no goals, no real objectives, no rational incentives
when they should be here defending our homeland.

"We the People" must face a terrible struggle in the next few years. The
Mexican Gov. is against us.  The International Corporations are against us.
Our own Government (current leadership of both "major parties") is against
us.

How do we defend ourselves?   I certianly don't have the answer, my friend.
My current hope is that something totally extraordinary will develop during
this upcoming Presidential election that will cause a sea-change in our
policies and take our Federal Government out of the control of the
International Corporations.

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country."   -- Thomas Jefferson

Two Hundred Thirty-One Years of Sovereignty.    Let us not throw it all away
without a battle.

  "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
without resource; except in their courage and
despair ...

  "The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle
with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ...
the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely
the masters of their own fate."

-- Alexander Hamilton

  "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
 arms."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
protect themselves against tyranny in government."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
so now let us show them we can fight like men also."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
any government, and to protect its free expression should
be our first object."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "We in America do not have government by the majority.
  We have government by the majority who participate."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
good conscience to remain silent."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Every government degenerates when trusted to the
rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
its only safe depositories."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "In matters of style, swim with the current; in
matters of principle, stand like a rock."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
going to do."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
free state."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Action will delineate and define you."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
from which they draw their gains."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
 to our liberties than standing armies."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Experience demands that man is the only animal which
devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
the general prey of the rich on the poor."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
of government those entrusted with power have, in time,
and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "If the American people ever allow private banks to
  control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then
  by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all
   property until their children wake-up homeless on the
   continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power
   should be taken from the banks and restored to the
   people, to whom it properly belongs."
   -- Thomas Jefferson

  "If ye love wealth better than freedom, the tranquility of
servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from
us in peace.
  We ask not your counsels or arms.
  Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you.
  May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen."

  -- Samuel Adams

PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

www.predatoryaliens.com
www.immigrationshumancost.org
www.daylaborers.org
www.alipac.us

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.immigrationcounters.com

www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.escapingjustice.com

Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.deputydavidmarch.com
www.kriseggle.org

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of
freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams
.
  "Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here
are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of
fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax
evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the
crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens
on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal
status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and
possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25%
of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some
areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and
34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez28nov28,1,7564240.column...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDING FATHERS DO? ...

  "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
original right of self-defense which is paramount to all
positive forms of government ... The citizens must rush
tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system,
without resource; except in their courage and
despair ...

  "The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle
with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny ...
the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely
the masters of their own fate."

-- Alexander Hamilton

  "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of
 arms."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The strongest reason for the people to retain the
right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to
protect themselves against tyranny in government."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
so now let us show them we can fight like men also."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of
any government, and to protect its free expression should
be our first object."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "We in America do not have government by the majority.
  We have government by the majority who participate."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of
good conscience to remain silent."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Every government degenerates when trusted to the
rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are
its only safe depositories."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "In matters of style, swim with the current; in
matters of principle, stand like a rock."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Don't talk about what you have done or what you are
going to do."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case
with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every
free state."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
Action will delineate and define you."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand
on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that
from which they draw their gains."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our
monied corporations which dare already to challenge
our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance
to the laws of our country."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous
 to our liberties than standing armies."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Experience demands that man is the only animal which
devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to
the general prey of the rich on the poor."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms
of government those entrusted with power have, in time,
and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

  -- Thomas Jefferson

  "If the American people ever allow private banks to
  control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then
  by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all
   property until their children wake-up homeless on the
   continent their fathers conquered... The issuing power
   should be taken from the banks and restored to the
   people, to whom it properly belongs."
   -- Thomas Jefferson

 "If ye love wealth better than freedom, the tranquility of
  servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from
  us in peace.
  We ask not your counsels or arms.
  Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you.
  May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity
  forget that ye were our countrymen."

  -- Samuel Adams

PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

www.predatoryaliens.com
www.immigrationshumancost.org
www.daylaborers.org
www.alipac.us

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.immigrationcounters.com

www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.escapingjustice.com

Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.deputydavidmarch.com
www.kriseggle.org

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of
freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams
.
  "Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here
are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of
fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax
evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the
crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens
on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal
status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and
possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25%
of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some
areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and
34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."