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1.  God's Creator  
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De: God's Creator <The_Crea...@Good.Com>
Data: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:10:56 GMT
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Assunto: THE EVIL OF THE BUSH INVASION OF IRAQ BREEDS MORE TERROR
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    Thus Spake God's Creator;  (I don't forgive shit!)

Questions Arising about Alleged Bridge Stampede in Baghdad
By Alisha Ryu
Kadhimiya, Iraq
01 September 2005

Iraqi officials say *965* Shi'ite pilgrims were killed Wednesday in a stampede
on a bridge leading to a Baghdad shrine, but other Iraqi security officials,
politicians, and the U.S. military in Baghdad are questioning the facts
surrounding reports of the stampede in the northwest Kadhimiya district of the
capital.
....
...

The minister of health, Abdul Mutalib Mohammed Ali, said that hundreds of
women, children and the elderly were trampled to death in the ensuing melee
and hundreds of others jumped to their deaths in the Tigris River. Mr. Ali,
who is close to radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, has called for the
resignations of the ministers of interior and defense, blaming them for
failing to ensure the security of the pilgrims.

  *The U.S. military says* ; 20 suspects are now being held for
   questioning in the incident.

   http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-09-01-voa3.cfm

                      GOD'S  CREATOR
                  ...That was my only sin... :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Wise men study unknowns seeking more wisdom, while other men
    fall on their hands and knees, tremble, urinate and mumble...

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Panteblonius Rising (PHANTASY)  
1.  God's Creator  
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Data: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:48:06 GMT
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Assunto: Re: Panteblonius Rising (PHANTASY)
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Jim wrote:
> Panteblonius Rising
> Fiction:  Short Story

> It has often been said that people are about as wise as they truly wish to
> be. I've thought a lot about that saying lately, and I'm beginning to
> suspect there may some truth in those words.

> And then I always decide all over again that I want to be that same kind of
> good neighbor and friend.  That's the kind of wisdom I want to have, the
> kind of life I want to live.

HUGE!! snips....

> Jim

> ©2005 Jim Sutton
> all rights reserved
> originally published at
> www.jimsdesk.com

> At www.jimsdesk.com, you'll also find other short stories & verse by Jim
> Sutton

    Thus Spake God's Creator;  (I don't forgive shit!)

     Those are the kinds of story-type-testimonials told by the
   *so-called* Reforming Alcoholics and Drug Addicts, and used in
   church religious hypnotizing rituals.

    There are *NO* such things as Ghosts, Angels, Elves, Witches,
   Santa Claus, UFO's... etc.

       But, phantasm *STORIES* makes it very difficult for children
      (and adults) to ever understand any of the *KNOWN* facts about
      *TRUTH* or *REALITY*.

   These dam "Religious Zombies" never cease trying to *Grab-A-Brain*.

      SHAME...
              SHAME....
                        SHAME on you!

                      GOD'S  CREATOR
                  ...That was my only sin... :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Wise men study unknowns seeking more wisdom, while other men
    fall on their hands and knees, tremble, urinate and mumble...

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2.  Jim  
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De: "Jim" <j...@goodwordusa.org>
Data: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:35:00 -0600
Assunto: Re: Panteblonius Rising (PHANTASY)
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Here's another little story I wrote awhile back...

Old Snuff

I met a strange man while on the way into town the other day. I'd taken the
path through the hills, as I like to be able to see the rolling landscape
from the hilltops. As I came near the woods, I saw him.

Dressed in drab gray clothing, he seemed out of place on such a bright
summer morning. He shuffled along, hanging close to the shadows, slipping
behind a tree whenever he saw anyone approaching. He saw me and tried to
hide, but I stopped and waited. When he remained hidden, I called to him.

"I've already seen you," I said, "So you may as well come out. Why are you
sneaking around on a morning like this? Who are you?"

He finally peeked from behind the tree, and then he edged out a little,
reluctant to leave the protection of the large sycamore and be fully in the
open. He may have been tall, but he appeared bent, somehow, and looked very
frail. I stepped closer, to get a better look at his face.

It was the strangest thing, but even in the direct sunlight, his face looked
to be in shadow, and the features were indistinct. The eyes and nose and
mouth kept shifting or changing, blurring from shape to shape. I began to
think my eyesight was failing.

I told him my name and waited, but he made no reply.

"Who are you?" I finally asked again.

"Snuff," he said. But it was a rasping whisper and I wasn't sure I'd heard
anything at all. So I asked him again and he repeated his name in a frail
and quiet voice. "Snuff."

His face and hands were smeared with black. The smell of smoke was all
around him, and as I looked closer at his clothing, I could see that it was
not a solid color but many smudges of various shades of gray and dark brown
and black. It was like billowing smoke might look if it suddenly froze. I
guessed that he must be stained from some fire. I asked him if he'd been in
a fire.

"Several," he said, his eyes darting back and forth along the path. And then
after a long pause, he added, "Many. Many fires." The words seemed to choke
out of him, as though his throat was thoroughly parched or scarred. I
offered him some water from the skin I carried. He looked longingly at it
but then declined to drink.

"Where are you going?" I asked. "Do you live in a village nearby?" I
couldn't remember seeing him before, but since he was so secretive, I may
have simply not noticed.

"Away," he said. "Always away." And he looked back down the path behind him
again, as though he thought someone might be after him. Apparently being
satisfied that he was safe for the moment, he almost smiled and said, "Going
west this time."

"Oh really? Do you have family in the west?" I asked. But he shook his head.

"Nothing for me there. Just away" he managed to rasp. And then he looked
both ways along the pathway again.

And so the conversation went. I would use several pointed questions to pry
out some tiny bit of information, and he would whisper his terse answers
while always looking along the path to see if anyone approached.

But his appearance and behavior were not the oddest things about Snuff. No,
the strangest thing was his occupation. I asked him if he was a tradesman,
perhaps a builder. He shook his head, indicating that he built nothing. I
asked if he were a craftsman, maybe a shoemaker. But he said no. So finally
I had to ask him very directly again what he did, what his life was devoted
to.

"Burn," he said, his throat cracking at the word. Bringing his hands
suddenly together, he hissed, "Snuff burns things."

I couldn't imagine how anyone could make a living burning things, so I asked
him to explain what he meant. Did he manage the fires for some large city,
to get rid of trash?

"No, not like that," he said. "Burn good things." And his eyes took on a
wild look, an expression like a mixture of terror and uncontrolled delight.
I was already baffled by Snuff's strange appearance and behavior. But now I
was even more astonished.

"But why?" I asked. "Why would anyone want to burn good things?" I was so
taken by the utter strangeness of this fellow that I almost missed his
response when it came.

Glancing quickly this way and then that, along the path, Snuff came a little
closer, seeming eager to share his strange secret with someone. The harsh
odor of old and new smoke surrounded me, almost choking me. I think I may
have taken a step backward.

For the first time, Snuff looked directly at me, his eyes searching my face
for understanding. He said, "Snuff cannot build. Cannot make things good.
Cannot improve what others do well." He paused while glancing again back
along the way he had come, and then forward up the path.

Then he said, "So I burns things. I make fire. The others build good things
and make good things. And then I come and burn what I find. I take what
others make with their hands and I make fire and smoke. I burns things."

I just stared at him, trying to comprehend what he was saying, trying to
make sense of the words and the awful ideas. He stood there for a while,
looking into my face, and then he turned away. He must have seen my
confusion, my dismay, my disgust. He turned and went back to shuffling on
his way.

I was still staring, still not believing what I had heard, when his
whispered words drifted back to me on the morning breeze. His back was to me
as he resumed his journey along the path. But his faint whisper caught my
ears as he repeated to himself, again and again, "I burns things. That's
what I do."

Jim

--------------------------------------------------

The thoughts behind the story....

Some people work very hard to make the world a little better.  Others never
do anything but attack whatever good is being offered.

The Creative Nature

If you're a gifted writer, speaker, builder, or if you can make things with
your hands, you're considered creative. If you work with colors, introduce a
useful perspective when solving difficult problems, or if you generally help
to make the world a better place in some small way, then you're creative.

I'm convinced that every human soul has the potential for great creativity.
God generously distributes this quality among the human population to
increase our joy in life. Creativity can change an empty and dull life into
an explosion of art, style or new inventions -- or solutions to common
problems.

The ability itself, and the willingness to devote hours, days, even years to
developing the necessary skill, comes from God -- from His own gracious
Spirit that gives good gifts to all people. We can read about this in the
Bible, in the OT book of Exodus. There the Lord brought individuals together
to create something very special, almost heavenly, in the "tabernacle" or
tent of meeting.

In every society and in every community there are people who take positive
steps to make the world a little better. And there's always plenty of need,
on every level.  People everywhere need to be helped, encouraged, inspired,
prompted, provoked -- even directed, from time to time. And all of us need
to be reminded of truth now and then.

God uses many good things to stimulate the heart, to activate the brain, to
lift up the spirit.  The whole earth is filled with good things: green
grass, amber shifting sands, blue skies, ever-changing clouds, a great
variety of trees, the sounds of wind and rain, the call of a bird -- not to
mention sunsets and sunrises, billions of stars at night, a simple rainbow,
or a spectacular lightning display in a summer storm.

The Other Nature

But not all people want to enjoy or share good things. There are people who
always resist positive action and thinking.  There are those who live to
complain, to hurt others, to destroy -- always taking, but never giving.
They are ruined souls, hollow lives that reject every good thought, word and
deed.

Ruined Souls

Every society and every community has its share of ruined souls.  They
murder, steal & rob, rape women and children, vandalize other people's
property, and take pleasure in the loss or ruin experienced by other people.
They take pleasure in evil.  They hate or even fear the bright light of day.

Such ruined souls actually attack the good that others do.  And they can be
anywhere. They might be a school principal, even a teacher, or a religious
leader. They may pass themselves off as a fellow artist, a writer, a news
reporter, or a politician (remember McCarthy?).

If you spend much time doing anything good and worthwhile, making something
beautiful, or improving the lot of others, then you've probably been
attacked by an empty, ruined soul. They cannot abide a decent word or deed.
They must attack it, trying to bring it down.

What Makes a Ruined Soul?

Maybe something very wrong has happened to these poor creatures. Rather than
recover, they choose to try and bring the whole world down into their own
level of ruin. Unwilling to produce anything good, they exist only to
denounce and to pervert the good that others do. They live to destroy.

Can they be helped? Of course they can. Anyone and everyone can be saved
from darkness and despair. Spiritually speaking, all of us are ruined souls
until we meet and embrace Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. But we must all
choose to let go of the dark evil that fills our twisted hearts.

©2004 Jim Sutton
originally published at
www.jimsdesk.com


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Anti-War Quote #52  
1.  Alexander Dawson  
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The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything
about the subject.
  ~Marcus Aurelius

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America ' s Balkanization of Iraq  
1.  Seeker is my bitch  
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"CJ" <chr...@illicom.net> wrote in message

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Just answer the question, Chrissie.  I'll get back to what I wanna do when
you answer the question.

> But hey, I'll play along...because I really don't think that middle
> eastern muslims will ever have peace.  Its in their nature to fight each
> other and everyone else.

>  After all we weren't
>> there (ok, Rumsfeld was) when he was gassing the Kurds, and we now have
>> him in custody.

>> No WMDs, no more Saddam, "Mission Accomplished", infinite democracy,
>> kick-ass Islamic constitution...what gives, Chrissie?

> First there is no constitution yet.

And second?

> But let me ask you this question....what do you think will happen once we
> leave?  I'd love to hear what you think.

Just answer the question, Chrissie. I'll get back to what I think will or
won't happen when you answer the question.

> Honestly...I'd rather our troops pull out....let them kill each
> other..thats what they are going to do anyway.
> Personally, one side of me says stay until the new Iraqi gov't can handle
> it...the other part says get the hell out...leave them to their own
> demise.

Well, one of you might be on to something.


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"Seeker is my bitch" <See...@ismybitch.com> wrote in message
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The answer is a resounding YES...and why are we still there?  We can't just
get him out and then cut and run.
There is your answer.

I did answer the question...now you can answer mine.

By the way...nice cop out.

>> Honestly...I'd rather our troops pull out....let them kill each
>> other..thats what they are going to do anyway.
>> Personally, one side of me says stay until the new Iraqi gov't can handle
>> it...the other part says get the hell out...leave them to their own
>> demise.

> Well, one of you might be on to something.

Well, it won't happen....but yes..I'd rather see our troops home.  Let them
kill each other.


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"CJ" <chr...@illicom.net> wrote in message

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So why have more Iraqis died in the violence since the US invasion than
since the end of Guld War I?

See, now that is resounding.

>...and why are we still there?  We can't just get him out and then cut and
>run.

Why not?

No Chrissie, you did not.  You answered one question, not the second.  Try
again.

> By the way...nice cop out.

Not really, your cop out was really lame.

>>> Honestly...I'd rather our troops pull out....let them kill each
>>> other..thats what they are going to do anyway.
>>> Personally, one side of me says stay until the new Iraqi gov't can
>>> handle it...the other part says get the hell out...leave them to their
>>> own demise.

>> Well, one of you might be on to something.

> Well, it won't happen....but yes..I'd rather see our troops home.  Let
> them kill each other.

In other words, you were unhappy because Saddam was the only one killing
them, and you'd much rather prefer that they kill each other.

Which means that Li'l Bush could have avoided all of the $150 billion +
spent on the war, and more importantly, saved the lives of some 1862 troops.

How about not having troops there in the first place?

Nah, that is just "libural" thinking.  A more rationale thinker like
yourself would rather wage the war, lose 1862+ troops, and then

Bail, leaving 'them' to kill each other

or

Stay in there and get more killed.

And in case you get confused Chrissie, that is exactly what you are
adovcating.

Oh, BTW, do check up on "stay there till the job is done".

We went to Korea about 50 years ago, and "the job has been done", and we
have some 30000 troops stationed there today.

You might want to guess how long it'll take to bring troops back home.


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"Seeker is my bitch" <See...@ismybitch.com> wrote in message
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Because of their own people...the insurgents....DUH

> See, now that is resounding.

No...it wasn't

>>...and why are we still there?  We can't just get him out and then cut and
>>run.

> Why not?

I answered your questions...now you can answer mine.

What cop out...I answered your question...but it is obvious you have no
answer for my question.

Now why doesn't that surprise me?


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"CJ" <chr...@illicom.net> wrote in message

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OK, you now accept that America caused the balkanization.

> In other words...the 3rd world muslims can't even get along with each
> other.....one faction trying to kill off the other.

Where are said factions in Jordan, Yemen, Egypt, PLO, Afghanistan?

Remember Afghanistan?  Where Mullah Omar was the one-eyed (close relative of
yours, perhaps) dictator, and when he was toppled, guess what?  No
"balkanazation"!

Unless your point is that the "balkanazation" only takes place when the
Muslim dictatorship is in The Middle East, and not a suburb.

In other words, what this shows is that you do not know what you are talking
about.  Besides, Iraq is not a 3rd world anything.  It has plenty of oil
reserves.  Why do you think Li'l Bush is there, instead of 'infinitely
liberating' Sudan for instance?

Prove it.  Which dictatorship in the middle east, when toppled, led to said
"balkanazation"?


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De: "Komin" <veak...@gmail.com>
Data: 2 Sep 2005 02:49:36 -0700
Local: Sex 2 set 2005 06:49
Assunto: Re: America ' s Balkanization of Iraq
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If Americans didn' t go into Iraq ,

Iraq would still be one nation,
now Iraq is going to be 3 nations.
 The Israeli wants to see an independent Kurdistan , which will reward
Israel with Oil .

If the Israeli gets OIL  from Iraq now , it is Iraqi Oil.
If Israeli gets Oil  from Kurdistan in the future , it will be Kurdish
Oil...and not Iraqi Oil .

That is  why Isreali Jews want to see an independent Kurdistan nation .

The Iranians also want to see an independent Shiite natoin ,
which will be under the Iranian influence .

For the Sunny Sect , they better join the Syrian nation .


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