>Curt D. Ickes wrote:

>*snips para wersh*

>> What's your point, nimrod?  

>Off topic:  Did you know Nimrod was a mighty warrior?  (Gen. 10:8)

>*snips*

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:13:27 GMT, Omega <omega....@gmail.com> wrote:

>Go cut off your dick (if you still have one) and shove it up your ass.  That way
>you can fuck yourself....

"Tuttle's Almanac" <Harry.Tut...@brazil.plumbing.gov> wrote in message

> U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Charged in Killings of Two Officers at Iraqi Base
> http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBPSZ8O1AE.html

> BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A U.S. Army staff sergeant was charged with
> murdering his two commanders last week at a base outside Baghdad,
> the military said Thursday in what is believed to be the first
> case of an American soldier in Iraq accused of killing his superiors.

> The military initially concluded that the June 7 deaths of
> Capt. Phillip T. Esposito, of Suffern, N.Y., and 1st Lt. Louis E. Allen,
> of Milford, Pa., were caused by a mortar round.

> But on Wednesday, the military charged Staff Sgt. Alberto B. Martinez
> of Troy, N.Y., with two counts of premeditated murder, according to a
> statement issued in Baghdad.

> Martinez, 37, is a supply specialist with the Headquarters Company of
> the 42nd Infantry Division, New York Army National Guard. Esposito, 30
> and the father of a 1-year-old girl, was company commander and Allen,
> 34 and a father of four, was a company operations officer.

> The "fragging" incident occurred near Tikrit - Saddam Hussein's hometown
> 80 miles north of Baghdad - at Forward Operating Base Danger in what used
> to be one of the ousted Iraqi leader's palace on the banks of the Tigris
> River.

> Fragging is a term used to refer to soldiers killing their superiors.

> The military initially concluded the commanders were killed by
> "indirect fire" on the base - a mortar round that struck a window
> on the side of the building where Esposito and Allen were.

> A criminal investigation was launched after it was determined that the
> "blast pattern" at the scene was inconsistent with a mortar attack.

> Martinez is believed to have allegedly used some kind of explosive device,
> possibly a grenade, in the attack, military officials said on condition of
> anonymity because the matter was still under investigation.

> He was charged with two counts of premeditated murder, said a statement
> by the Multinational Task Force in Iraq. He currently is at a military
> detention facility in Kuwait.

> His alleged motive was unclear. He has been assigned a military attorney
> and has the option of hiring a civilian lawyer, authorities said.

> "Staff Sgt. Martinez has been and will continue to be afforded the
> extensive rights under the Uniform Code of Military Justice,"
> military spokesman Col. Billy J. Buckner said.

> U.S. military officials in Iraq declined to comment further.

> Martinez's family refused to comment. A man who identified himself as
> a family friend told a reporter in front of Martinez's Troy residence
> that the family had nothing to say.

> The 42nd Infantry Division took over from the 1st Infantry Division
> in January and is responsible for a vast section of northern and central
> Iraq.

> Martinez, who joined the New York Army National Guard in December 1990,
> was deployed to Iraq in May 2004.

> Allen was a science teacher at Tuxedo High School in Orange County, N.Y.,
> and was deployed to Iraq just a few weeks ago. He is survived by his wife,
> Barbara, and four sons, ages 1 to 6.

> Esposito is survived by his wife and 19-month-old daughter.

> The Tikrit case is at least the second known incident in which a
> U.S. soldier has been charged with killing his comrades during the Iraq
> war.

> In April, a sergeant in the Army's 101st Airborne Division was convicted
> of murder and attempted murder for a grenade and rifle attack that killed
> two officers and wounded 14 soldiers in Kuwait during the opening days of
> the 2003 invasion.

> Hasan Akbar, a 34-year-old Muslim who was sentenced to death, told
> investigators he staged the attack because he was upset that
> American troops would kill fellow Muslims.

> Fragging entered the American lexicon in the Vietnam War.
> Such incidents increased late in the 1960s as the strains grew on a
> draftee
> army waging an unpopular war. Young men feeling hassled or unnecessarily
> put in harm's way by their commanders settled their grievances with a
> fragmentation grenade or a bullet in the back.

> Between 1969 and 1971, the Army reported 600 fragging incidents
> that killed 82 Americans and injured 651. In 1971 alone, there
> were 1.8 fraggings for every 1,000 American soldiers serving in
> Vietnam, not including gun and knife assaults.

> As President Nixon drew down U.S. forces, troops felt they were
> fighting a lost cause they were unwilling to die for.

<letou...@nospam.net> wrote in message

> In <int6c1l2qgna804djpo87cuvgsemk1i...@4ax.com>, on 06/30/2005
>   at 04:39 AM, Omega <omega....@gmail.com> said:

>>On 28 Jun 2005 01:10:17 -0700, "Chris Hayes" <haye...@fadmail.com> wrote:

>>|> |> : It's actually a bit of both. There were some really stupid and
>>green
>>|> |> : officers and there were outright pricks, who got it, but in some
>>cases
>>|> |> : because the war was whinding down, many guy's felt that it wasn't
>>worth the
>>|> |> : risk. like Iraq Nobody but 1%'rs wanted to die there!
>>|> |> :
>>|> |>
>>|> |> You base that only 1% want to be there?  Do you have some source for
>>this
>>|> |> conclusion?  Or is this just more Vietnam era thinking?
>>|> |
>>|> |If you're so fucking gung ho about fighting in Iraq, WHY ARE YOU HERE
>>|> |IN AMERICA SPEWING YOUR CHICKENHAWK BULLSHIT ON USENET?  I'm sure a
>>|> |soldier or a Marine over there would gladly come home while the
>>|> |"Ubermensch" like you save the world.
>>|>
>>|> I have been there.  MSG Colin Campbell has been there, lots of the
>>folks in
>>|> US.Military.Army have been there.
>>|>
>>|> We have done are part, several times over.  But then our lives are
>>worth far
>>|> more than yours.
>>|>
>>|
>>|Please tell me you're joking, wannabe.

>>We do not fight for you.  We fight for those we serve with.  Not mom's
>>apple pie, not for the constitution, just each other.  In combat that is
>>what is valuable.

> Good example of why you idiots are losing to bunch of rag-tag uneducated
> Arabs. -- And more proof that you are not fighting for America.

> Frankly, I think you're a two-bit wannabee. If you're not you should be
> thrown out of the military.

>>BTW,  it is up to you to defend yourself.  Not the police, not the
>>military.  If you do not own a gun, get one....

>>Again, the courts rule that you, and only you, are your best defenders

>>Cops Can't Be Sued for Restraining Orders

>>Jun 27, 10:57 AM (ET)

>>By GINA HOLLAND

>>Why Bankruptcy is Good - We will prepare your bankruptcy for you 100%
>>online. debtoraid.com

>> WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court ruled Monday that police cannot be
>>sued for how they enforce restraining orders, ending a lawsuit by a
>>Colorado woman who claimed police did not do enough to prevent her
>>estranged husband from killing her three young daughters.

>>Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to police
>>enforcement of the court order against her husband, the court said in a
>>7-2 opinion.

>>City governments had feared that if the court ruled the other way, it
>>would unleash a potentially devastating flood of cases that could
>>bankrupt municipal governments.

>>Gonzales contended that police did not do enough to stop her estranged
>>husband, who took the three daughters from the front yard of her home in
>>June 1999 in violation of a restraining order.

>>Hours later Simon Gonzales died in a gun fight with officers outside a
>>police station. The bodies of the three girls, ages 10, 9 and 7, were in
>>his truck.

>>Gonzales argued that she was entitled to sue based on her rights under
>>the 14th Amendment and under Colorado law that says officers shall use
>>every reasonable means to enforce a restraining order. She contended that
>>her restraining order should be considered property under the 14th
>>Amendment and that it was taken from her without due process when police
>>failed to enforce it.

>>"The restraining orders are not worth anything unless police officers are
>>willing to enforce them. They are just paper," said Brian Reichel, the
>>attorney for Gonzales. "If nothing else this case has shined the
>>spotlight on a very important issue."

>>Castle Rock, Co., police contend they tried to help Gonzales. Police
>>twice went to the estranged husband's apartment, kept an eye out for his
>>truck and called his cellular phone and home phone.

>>Gonzales reached him on his cell phone, and he told her that he had taken
>>the girls to an amusement park in nearby Denver. Gonzales contends that
>>police should have gone to the amusement park or contacted Denver police.

>On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:48:33 GMT, letou...@nospam.net wrote:
>|In <1b37c1prk8q9si3fqsdr1k6714qbho2...@4ax.com>, on 06/30/2005
>|   at 06:13 AM, Omega <omega....@gmail.com> said:
>|
>|
>|
>|>On 29 Jun 2005 22:22:27 -0700, "Chris Hayes" <hay...@fadmail.com> wrote:
>|
>|>|
>|>|> |
>|>|> |Please tell me you're joking, wannabe.
>|>|>
>|>|> We do not fight for you.
>|>|
>|>|You don't fight at all, you little Usenet sissy.
>|
>|
>|>Go cut off your dick (if you still have one) and shove it up your ass.
>|>That way you can fuck yourself....
>|
>|Hey wannabee its time for you to leave this newsgroup.  We have real vets
>|here, and you're a certified idiot.  You don't fit.  
>No it is time that real soldiers start kicking your ass.  this country
>would be far better off if you had a heart attack.....
>---
>"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better  than ...
>freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms
>...  May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye
>were our countrymen."
>  - Samuel Adams

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:12:01 GMT, Omega <omega....@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Do we get to kick your ass?

>On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:12:01 GMT, Omega <omega....@gmail.com> wrote: >
>>  Do we get to kick your ass?
>Omega, post your real name and address. It will be fun.

>On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:39:46 GMT, letou...@nospam.net wrote:
>|>|>>=== snipped
>|>|>>
>|>|>>>If these insurgent tactics are working then why are militia types not
>|>|>>>using them?
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|>> rumsfield said it will be at least 12 years before we can get out.
>|>|>> -->That ought to be enough of a statement for anyone with working brain to
>|>|>> figure out we're not winning.  -->How come you keep failing the 1+1=2
>|>|>> test?
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|>>>---
>|>|>>>"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better  than ...
>|>|>>>freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms
>|>|>>>...  May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye
>|>|>>>were our countrymen."
>|>|>>> - Samuel Adams
>|>|>>
>|>|>>
>|>|
>|>|
>|>|>    Thus Spake God's Creator;  (I don't forgive shit!)
>|>|
>|>|>Most Americans (Believe it or not) are trying very hard to
>|>|>(Mentally) deny that the U.S. President may be insane!
>|>|>    Bush can not *see* his errors/mistakes and he *will*
>|>|>    stay his course, indefinitely. (*until the big-shit happens*)
>|>|
>|>|>Everyone around him would like to distant themselves (now)
>|>|>from his personal *Saddam Vs. Bush War* comedy...
>|>|>     Including Rumsfeld *AND* Tony Blair.
>|>|
>|>|
>|>|Right. We need to restore integrity and honor to America by impeaching the
>|>|idiot.
>|
>|>No republican controlled congress will impeach this president.
>|
>|That's what nixon thought too!
>|
>|>What we need is to break up the democrats into several parties.
>|
>|No we need to eradicate rightwing morons -- like you -- from our culture.
>|
>|Get your ass to iraq and die in place of good man.  It will let you be a
>|hero to yourself for bush and the rightwing kooks.
>I have done my time in Iraq.  So have many here in UMA.  Now what happens
>when we return to you anti war types?  Do we ge to kick your ass?

>Try to purge us from society and you will have a civil war....
>---
>"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better  than ...
>freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms
>...  May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye
>were our countrymen."
>  - Samuel Adams

>On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:39:44 GMT, letou...@nospam.net wrote:
>|>|>>
>|>|>> rumsfield said it will be at least 12 years before we can get out.
>|>|>> -->That ought to be enough of a statement for anyone with working brain to
>|>|>> figure out we're not winning.
>|>|>>
>|>|
>|>|>     How do you feel we are doing in Germany, Korea, or your old hideout
>|>|>-- Okinawa?  Not winning yet?
>|>|
>|>|**Your logic is flawed.  People are not being killed every day in those
>|>|places** -- None of which we belong in, with the exception perhaps of
>|>|Okinawa, since we couldn't defend anyone in the Pacific without it.
>|>|
>|>|You missed the Vietnam expereince here in America.  If Iraq reqires a
>|>|draft -- and its going to if we are to stay 12 years or more -- the
>|>|support will be zero.  
>|>|
>|>|Thus, its over. bush and the war mongers need a new plan ASAP, bceause
>|>|this one is running out of cannon fodder to send there.  Not to mention
>|>|people to pay for it.
>|>|
>|
>|>We have not had cannon folder since we did mass attacks in WW1.  Please
>|>get with the program and learn what a modern army can do.  
>|
>|Gee send them modern guys to iraq so we can start winning.
>|
>|
>|>We have a professional army in which most Americans are just too stupid,
>|>too fat, too lazy, too fucked up such that we can not use over 70% of the
>|>people who walk through the doors of the recruiting office.
>|
>|Sorry but they lowered the standards so fucking idiots like you can join
>|up.  Now get your ass iraq and stop annoying the adults here with your
>|nonsense driveling.
>|
>|
>|>Most Americans are so messed up that they are unemployable.
>|
>|Rightwing nonsense.  Get your ass to iraq so we can clean the gene pool of
>|one more rightwing idiot.  
>No, you will force this nation into a civil war.  It will be your genes
>which get purged.  Keep pushing, you will get the war, right here in the
>US, that you want.  
>---
>"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better  than ...
>freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms
>...  May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye
>were our countrymen."
>  - Samuel Adams

>On 29 Jun 2005 22:43:26 -0700, "Chris Hayes" <hay...@fadmail.com> wrote:
>|> |>>
>|> |>> rumsfield said it will be at least 12 years before we can get out.
>|> |>> -->That ought to be enough of a statement for anyone with working brain to
>|> |>> figure out we're not winning.
>|> |>>
>|> |
>|> |>     How do you feel we are doing in Germany, Korea, or your old hideout
>|> |>-- Okinawa?  Not winning yet?
>|> |
>|> |**Your logic is flawed.  People are not being killed every day in those
>|> |places** -- None of which we belong in, with the exception perhaps of
>|> |Okinawa, since we couldn't defend anyone in the Pacific without it.
>|> |
>|> |You missed the Vietnam expereince here in America.  If Iraq reqires a
>|> |draft -- and its going to if we are to stay 12 years or more -- the
>|> |support will be zero.
>|> |
>|> |Thus, its over. bush and the war mongers need a new plan ASAP, bceause
>|> |this one is running out of cannon fodder to send there.  Not to mention
>|> |people to pay for it.
>|> |
>|>
>|> We have not had cannon folder since we did mass attacks in WW1.  Please get with
>|> the program and learn what a modern army can do.
>|>
>|> We have a professional army in which most Americans are just too stupid, too
>|> fat, too lazy, too fucked up such that we can not use over 70% of the people who
>|> walk through the doors of the recruiting office.
>|>
>|> Most Americans are so messed up that they are unemployable.
>|>
>|>
>|
>|The Army is in no position to be picky from the population of "trash."
>|It's hurting in the recruiting department, so it's time for
>|"Ubermensch" chickenhawks like you to enlist and save the world.
>I hope that you run your mouth off in front of some returning soldiers or
>Marines.  It will be fun to see you get your ass kicked.  You are why so
>many of who are serving in Iraq feel that the American people are
>stabbing us in the back.  You are better off dead and out of the war.  Go
>have a heart attack old fart and make room for the warriors.
>---
>"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better  than ...
>freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms
>...  May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye
>were our countrymen."
>  - Samuel Adams