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1.  Buddy  
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De: "Buddy" <Johnny__Joh...@hotmail.com>
Data: 10 May 2005 14:43:18 -0700
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Assunto: Re: American soldiers are weak and cowardly - Here's the proof!

88 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CALL FOR IMMEDIATE ANSWERS ABOUT SECRET
BUSH/BLAIR PRE-WAR DEAL
http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/002748.html

/ / 5) Was there a coordinated effort with the U.S. intelligence
community and/or British officials to "fix" the intelligence and facts
around the policy as the leaked document states? \ \

--

                  The Final Straw

http://sydney.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/metafiles/final-str...

/ / Someone was asking me, why is that the godly people
of Creation, take such enjoyment out of killing the bushite
enemies? And, I'll tell you what it is... \ \

/ / They have no concern for the neighbor's children,
who have sacrificed their lives in a needless war.,
that only serves the interests of the neocon God haters. \ \

/ / Look at that. You can't even get a single American man,
out of the entire country, to phone Art Bell and have Art
Bell hang up on them. \ \

/ / See? \ \

--

/ / The legal case for military resistance needs to be understood.
In essence, the military is violating the law.  It's the war
resisters who are upholding it.  \ \

/ / "We are short of everything," she says, raising her voice to be
heard over the constant crying of children.  "We've had nothing
from the new Iraqi Government, except some simple antibiotics; and
nothing from the occupying countries." \ \

/ / It revealed that the Prime Minister persistently lied to
Parliament and the public about the legal basis for the war.

The revelation came minutes after Mr Blair declared on TV:  "I
have never told a lie." \ \

/ / The March 17 document was stripped of all the nuances,
qualifications and caveats contained in the March 7 opinion.  It
could not conceivably be regarded as a summary of the earlier
advice.  Both cabinet and parliament were - to put it at its
mildest - kept unforgiveably in the dark.  It looks rather worse
than that:  it looks as if they were deceived. \ \

/ / Sanchez's response was not to seek to end the abuse.  Rather,
he sought to end ICRC access to prisoners.  This again exposes him
to liability under the command responsibility doctrine. \ \

/ / In addition to Rumsfeld and Sanchez, the report lays out the
evidence of crimes of commission and omission on the part of Miller
and Tenet.  Miller, who is currently serving as the commanding
general of detention operations in Iraq, is cited for both his role
at Guantanamo Bay and his role in transferring methods used in
Guantanamo Bay to Iraq. \ \

/ / "They couldn't show people what they were really doing, because
what they were really doing was illegal and inhumane," Ratner said.
"It's such a fraud.  It reminds me of the special concentration
camps set up in World War II.  They would take the Red Cross there
to see there was an orchestra and all sorts of nice things." \ \

/ / "These documents are equivalent to police notes.  They
demonstrate the evolution of the inquiries, the testimonies, the
proofs.  The Bush Administration and the Pentagon describe the
problems of torture as isolated incidents that are not part of an
overall plan.  The proofs show otherwise," \ \

/ / The point, instead, is that even though all the evidence
suggests that we would be much better off under a system of
universal coverage, any such move will be fiercely opposed, on
principle, by conservatives who want us to move in the opposite
direction. \ \

/ / Fact:  If the economy performs as poorly as the Trustees
project, then the last place on earth you'd want to put your money
is in the stock market. \ \

/ / "It's horrible, it's a tragedy.  It's a crime against human
kind.  I deplore it," said Powell. \ \

/ / Many of our readers will remember the Lone Gunmen pilot
episode, which carried the plot where a secret group within the
government attempt to hijack a commercial airliner and fly it into
the World Trade Center.  This was made in late 2000 and broadcast
in early 2001. \ \

/ / Guess how much this Iraq invasion has cost the city of
Milwaukee in tax dollars - $282 million.  It has cost Madison $128
million.  Our two major cities have lost nearly half a billion
dollars that will never be recovered while we fret over a $3
million shortfall. \ \

/ / Now they're saying you must also agree with all of his judicial
nominees.  Now this is really the hijacking of religion.  It's
making it into a partisan wedge and a weapon to divide us, not a
bridge to bring us together.  This is really the abuse and misuse
of religion \ \

/ / So, how do we talk about a prophetic faith?  In my Christian
tradition, I want to talk about Jesus.  How did Jesus become
pro-rich, pro-war and only pro-American?  It doesn't make sense.
And yet, that's what we're faced with. \ \

/ / Sanchez authorised torture

4/29/2005 - Sanchez gives the salute BBC - The top US general in
Iraq authorised interrogation techniques including the use of dogs,
stress positions and disorientation, a memo has shown.  The
document was obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union through
the US Freedom of Information Act. \ \

/ / "I have not returned, nor do I think about returning again,
until the people of the United States liberate that nation," said
Chavez, saying that Americans are "oppressed" by their government
and U.S.  media. \ \

THE CULPRITS

/ / In addition to Sanchez, the inspector general cleared Major
General Walter Wojdakowski, Sanchez's top deputy, Major General
Barbara Fast, the former chief intelligence officer in Iraq, and
Colonel Marc Warren, the top legal officer in Iraq, who advised
Sanchez. \ \

/ / When he read Lord Goldsmith's March 7 opinion, which was
unequivocally hostile to the war, he knew it had to be changed. \ \

/ / You know, the right gets it wrong because they want to narrow
all the moral values issues.  There's just two:  abortion, gay
marriage.  That's it.  You know, what about 3,000 verses in the
Bible on poverty.  Fighting poverty is a moral value.  Protecting
the environment, otherwise known as God's creation, that's a moral
value issue.  And as you said, the ethics of war.  When you go to
war, how you go to war, and whether you tell the truth about going
to war.  These are profoundly religious matters. \ \

/ / Bartlett went on to say, he truly believes he's on a mission
from God, absolute faith like that, overwhelms a need for analysis.
The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is
no empirical evidence, Bartlett paused, then said, but you cannot
run the world on faith.'' Can you talk about that? \ \

/ / The 2,200 documents obtained by the ACLU have been put online at:
http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/041905/.

Interrogators in Tikrit, working for the Fourth Infantry Division,
sent back an email on August 17, 2003, recommending ``open hand
strikes, closed-fist strikes, using claustrophobic techniques and a
number of `coercive' techniques such as striking with telephone
books, low-voltage electrocution and inducing muscle fatigue''. \ \

/ / noted the U.S.  government's claim that its forces do their
utmost to minimise civilian casualties.  ''How can we know whether
we're making any progress when a conscious decision is made to keep
that from the public?'' he told IPS. \ \

/ / First, the US "black list" of scientists wanted for questioning
was full of holes.  "Some very despicable individuals who should
have been listed were not, while many technocrats and even
opponents of the Saddam regime made the list and hence found
themselves either in jail or on the run." \ \

/ / Hard-liners in the Bush administration have opposed any such
deal.  Instead, they have insisted that Pyongyang must begin
dismantling first before Washington would take steps to
reciprocate.  They have equated diplomatic give-and-take with
rewarding bad behavior. \ \

/ / `The worst thing is to shoot one of them, then go help him,' as
regulations require.  `Shit, I didn't help any of them.  I wouldn't
help the fuckers.  There were some you let die.  And there were
some you double-tapped.  Once you'd reached the objective, and once
you'd shot them and you're moving through, anything there, you
shoot again.  You didn't want any prisoners of war.' \ \

--

The True Fight for Freedom

(Quotes from http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/true_fight.mp3)

/ / Sattler, as a result of ignoring reason and understanding,
went out and sacrificed all these marines that are now dead. \ \

/ / I see really great things in store, if we can find it within
ourselves to defend the innocent, despite the lies of the bush
cabal.  Killing innocent people is wrong.  There is no
justification for bombing Iraq, there just isn't.  \ \

/ / Demon bush says he's against torture, and the Oregon Military
soldiers tell us, hey, they're torturing children, the bushite
forces in Iraq are.  \ \

/ / If you knew your neighbor did that crime, and the police said
that they couldn't arrest him because he was a disciple of the
antichrist, so therefor, WE can't hold him to account as WE do to
the regular civilians...  what would you think? \ \

                      F R E E   E N E R G Y

It's  the  simplest  idea.  All you gotta do, is get a couple large
buoys,  that let's say take maybe a twenty foot square space, maybe
a  foot  or  two  thick,  and they contain air, made of some strong
plastics.   You  just  take that, anchor it stationary to the ocean
floor, and have it situated on a gear system where, even though the
buoy  moves up and down slightly, there is such a tremendous amount
of  force on it, through the rising of the tides, that through gear
ratios,  you  could  easily  get some turbines going for a thousand
bucks  or  something.  Not a big investment to give you free energy
endlessly.

/ / Do not put any effort into thinking out your own opinions.
Create doubt on anything any true liberator, would try to convey to
you as important for your life.  Never mind.  Watch your son or
daughter be sacrificed, and just lie to yourself, and tell us all
how your so proud of your dead
...

mais »


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Submarine Base  
1.  gary  
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 Mais opções 11 maio 2005, 00:33
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De: "gary" <g...@comcast.com>
Data: Wed, 11 May 2005 03:33:53 GMT
Local: Qua 11 maio 2005 00:33
Assunto: Submarine Base
Is the base at Groton going to be closed, any why?  I really can't see the
point.  What is taking it's place?

I went to sub school there in 1966 signed on my first boat there.  Captain
Kauffman was my on blue crew he went on to become admiral.  I wonder if he
is still alive.  A hard, but fair man to serve under.


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Military Green Laser Pointer  
1.  laserworld2...@yahoo.com  
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 Mais opções 11 maio 2005, 10:26
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Data: 11 May 2005 06:26:01 -0700
Local: Qua 11 maio 2005 10:26
Assunto: Military Green Laser Pointer
Extremely powerful green laser pointer. Visible over 2 miles away. The
actual green beam is visible in the air.

Used by the military, astronomers, and just for plain fun!

2-3 day delivery

http://www.GreenLazer.com


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2.  <_GODS__CREATOR_>  
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De: "<_GODS__CREATOR_>" <Really_...@Go.Com>
Data: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:17:41 GMT
Local: Qua 18 maio 2005 08:17
Assunto: Re: Military Green Laser Pointer

laserworld2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Extremely powerful green laser pointer. Visible over 2 miles away. The
> actual green beam is visible in the air.

> Used by the military, astronomers, and just for plain fun!

> 2-3 day delivery

> http://www.GreenLazer.com

    Thus Spake God's Creator;  (I don't forgive shit!)

        Shove it !

                      GOD'S  CREATOR
                  ...That was my only sin...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Wise men face unknowns, and boldly looks for reality!
    Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...

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F14  
1.  R Oxley  
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De: "R Oxley" <tychounde...@SPAMyahoo.com>
Data: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:57:34 -0700
Local: Sex 13 maio 2005 04:57
Assunto: Re: F14

<singh_ding_r...@boltblue.com> wrote in message

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> Are F14s still in sevice?

Yes, but not for long. Another year or two, maybe.

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1.  Henrietta K. Thomas  
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AFGHANISTAN RIOTS SPREADING  
1.  <_GODS__CREATOR_>  
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De: "<_GODS__CREATOR_>" <Really_...@Go.Com>
Data: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:13:18 GMT
Local: Seg 16 maio 2005 04:13
Assunto: AFGHANISTAN RIOTS SPREADING

    Thus Spake God's Creator;  (I don't forgive shit!)

   Afghan President Karzai warns heavy-handed US troops,
   as riots spread:

By Nick Meo in Kabul *16 May 2005*

   President Hamid Karzai insisted the Kabul government will
   veto US military operations, after a week of hugely
   destructive anti-American rioting left Afghan cities
   and towns in flames and hospitals overflowing with casualties.

     The Afghan leader, was installed with Washington's support in 2001
     and is derided and seen as an American puppet....
     http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/story.jsp?story=638633

                      GOD'S  CREATOR
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~

      Bush's Holy War(s) News:
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2.  Hey Gyra  
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Data: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:09:19 -0700
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Assunto: Re: AFGHANISTAN RIOTS SPREADING
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>     Thus Spake God's Creator;  (I don't forgive shit!)

>    Afghan President Karzai warns heavy-handed US troops,
>    as riots spread:

Aw, Muhammed, take a chill and let your countrymen do their thing.  We can
use the entertainment as the civilized world gets to see the REAL face of
Islam ---

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3.  <_GODS__CREATOR_>  
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De: "<_GODS__CREATOR_>" <Really_...@Go.Com>
Data: Tue, 17 May 2005 02:17:14 GMT
Local: Seg 16 maio 2005 23:17
Assunto: Re: AFGHANISTAN RIOTS SPREADING

    Thus Spake God's Creator;

                Where is the civilized world ?

                      GOD'S  CREATOR
                  ...That was my only sin...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Wise men face unknowns, and boldly looks for reality!
    Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...

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Abusive DI gets Bad Conduct discharge  
1.  NYC XYZ  
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De: "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreig...@yahoo.com>
Data: 18 May 2005 11:53:40 -0700
Local: Qua 18 maio 2005 15:53
Assunto: Re: Abusive DI gets Bad Conduct discharge

Yep, sometimes.

Unfortunately, it's like with cockroaches -- for every one you catch,
there're another ten behind the walls.

Usually, though, the DS singles out one or two, not a whole squad-full.

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:


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