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De: `G' `O' `D' `S' __`C' `R' `E' `A' `T' `O' `R' <Really_...@Go.Com>
Data: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:26:07 GMT
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 04:26
Assunto: Re: ALL RELIGIONS MUST BE CRIMINALIZED
Midjis wrote: ........ > "<-J-C->" <jaa_c...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> The numbers of people killed under the Stalinist regime are >> I did, they were CRIMINALS... > Then it is fortunate we do not have to look for you to administer our ...... ..... Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive shit!) Religious Criminals..., Religious Terrorist... Both are like Zombie monsters and *MUST* be... Neutralized. The Compassionate Conservative method of "Neutralization" is; That is the current U.S. tactic... Will it work on ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wise men study the unknown, and boldly seeks answers ! Today's Terrorists News: Today's U.S. Terrorists: É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: `G' `O' `D' `S' __`C' `R' `E' `A' `T' `O' `R' <Really_...@Go.Com>
Data: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:52:36 GMT
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 23:52
Assunto: Re: ALL RELIGIONS MUST BE CRIMINALIZED
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive shit!)
Any partially human, zombie like monster, that is Examples; G.W. Bush, Ariel Sharon, Tony Blair... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wise men study the unknown, and boldly seeks answers ! Today's Terrorists News: Today's U.S. Terrorists: É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: saul_sa...@yahoo.com (Saul_Sabia)
Data: 2 Jun 2004 12:56:16 -0700
Local: Qua 2 jun 2004 16:56
Assunto: Re: ALL RELIGIONS MUST BE CRIMINALIZED
`G' `O' `D' `S' __`C' `R' `E' `A' `T' `O' `R' <Really_...@Go.Com> wrote in message <news:Uhbvc.18593$Tn6.3380@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Midjis wrote: By whose standards? > > `G' `O' `D' `S' __`C' `R' `E' `A' `T' `O' `R' <Really_...@Go.Com> wrote: > > That depends on how you are defining 'criminal'. In the days before 9/11, > > Britain considered terrorism a crime rather than a military action. So in > > my mind, terrorists are criminals, but of course not all criminals are > > terrorists. > > What do YOU consider the definition of 'criminal' here? > Any partially human, zombie like monster, that is > Examples; G.W. Bush, Ariel Sharon, Tony Blair... Seems like any of these people are a part of humanity just as much as the Does your definition include those with mental illness, those who can't ... pfff .... Better think about how you define your words a little better. Saul Sabia É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: "sanjian" <haibane_please_dont_spam_me_r...@yahoo.com>
Data: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:48:43 -0400
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 11:48
Assunto: Re: Pat Tillman killed by US heroes' friendly fire
Pat "Bearkiller" Hines wrote: The "right wing" and "left wing" ideals are far older than that, going back > sanjian wrote: >>> Savage is one of the most venomous right-wing socialists on radio >>> today. >> Right-wing socialist? Can you explain how you came about that > Hmmm, you don't know? Figures. I'll venture a short version of the > The modern meaning of right-wing versus left-wing are a mythology created to 19th century european parliments. If you're as wise as you seem to think, surely you knew that, and were just testing me. > West, particularly in America. They did that in order to position That much you got right. National Socialism, Maxist Communisim, Fascisim... > themselves at the other end of a political spectrum, of their own > creation, from the National Socialists in Germany. The National while they pay lip service to different ideals, they're all collectivist with a heavy-handed central government. They're all cut from the same cloth. Properly, fascists and nazis belong on the far left, not the right. > Socialists were but a competing form of socialism, but the Soviets I often think that it's by design that we retain the term "Nazi." I even wonder if kids today are even taught what it's abbeviated from. > couldn't allow that truth to stand, so they launched Second and third, respectively. I believe that the final numbers (so far) > a successful campaign, aided by communist in the F. D. Roosevelt > Regime (Alger Hiss wasn't the only one, Harry Hopkins was another of > many), the Soviets built > a monumental myth that International Communists were on one end of > the political spectrum and the National Socialists were on the other > end. That enabled Roosevelt to enter into an alliance with the most > horrendous tyrant to ever > exist against what may have been only the third or fourth worst > tyrant. put Mao above Stalin now days. Granted, I'm sure both parties have more "unaccounted for" than they're willing to say. > In actual fact, the National Socialists, as with all fascists, are at or It's that last part that I take issue with. You still have a strong anchor near > the same end of the political spectrum as are all socialists. Both the > Democrats and Republicans are just a short distance behind the > fascists. in the Republican party trying to take back what rightfully belongs to us. It's people like Sen. John Kyl and Congressman Jeff Flake who I support in trying to keep the Republicans from falling into that pit. Yet the very rank and file we need to keep our party are leaving us. You say we're abandoning our principles? That's not the case. It's that you are undercutting our conservative/libertarian base by leaving us to the Democrats who have chewed through their own party and are now looking for new meat. It's all nice and cynical to say that the Republicans and Democrats are the > At the approximate middle of the political spectrum are found various The libertarians are hardly the middle. They are on the far right, and God > types of libertarians and at the far opposite end from Communists, > fascists, and the two large American political parties are the > anarchists, those that want no government. bless them for it. It seems you had the right concept with your idea, but you had the spectrum distorted. Still, even by your own admission, you can't be a right-wing socialist. Socialisim and anarchy are mutally exclusive, and Savage is neither. > Again, that's a mere outline of the facts, you should be able to find If you understand the facts that well, I must wonder how you can come up > a more fulsome explanation online or in your local library. with calling Savage a right-wing socialist. >>>> The OP mocked Pat Tillman for dying in defence of his country. And yet you don't exhibit functional mastery of the information. >>> Let's get something straight right now, Tillman did not die >> You can take that "Let's get something straight right now" and cram it up > Clearly I do. >>> his country at all. Tillman died because he was duped into You father fought in WWII, as did my grandfathers. What's your point? >>> believing >>> that the USG was going after those that attacked New York in 2001, >> Just like all those soldiers in WWII who were duped into thinking > That's right, as my father informed me many times. That's my father >> Maybe you How nice and cynical. Now, do you have anything to back it up, or are you >> weren't paying attention. This is a global war on terrorism, not >> just Al Queda. > Now that is absurd. There is no global war on terrorism, never was, just wanting to look cool? > Terrorism" is that since there's no country or political ideology to Have you been paying attention these last few decades? These people have > fail or go bankrupt, the war will never have to end like > the Cold War suddenly did. It's made to order for war profiteers. been screwing around with us since before the Reagan era. Ronald Reagan made a mistake in listening to congress and backing down. Clinton didn't learn from him and did the same. At least Bush decided to stop the game. You can blather on about there being no war on terrorism, but the terrorists sure as hell know they've got one against us. > The real problem for these warmongers is that the power of We're not trying to intimaidate you, we're throwing the bullshit flag. > information is no longer controlled totally by government. And while > there will be increasing attempts to intimidate those that, like me, > shout out the truth as often and in > as many places as possible, those attempts will fail. That's what happens when you spout crap, you get called on it. If that's too intimidating for you, then maybe you should stick to kindergarteners. >> We've decided that we're not going to play this shell game anymore. Are you the same guy who said the US was against the war in Iraq at the very > The "we" you're so blatantly bandying about is less than one half the same time that and ABC (ie, left-leaning outlet) poll showed 75% supported it? Maybe your supporters count twice? You guys are so quick to call them war crimes. Maybe that's why I can't stop laughing at you. "War Crimes" are not defined as "things we don't like." Learn to live with it. > That makes Bush, and many in his regime, guilty of more war crimes Would you prefer if we just sit back and wait for the next attack? And the > than was Clinton. one after that? É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: gr...@wwpublish.com (Greg Butterfield)
Data: 1 Jun 2004 07:56:44 -0700
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 11:56
Assunto: Meeting on Depleted Uranium
Audience packs New York meeting
'Depleted uranium: Pentagon poison' By Minnie Bruce Pratt Deadly radioactivity is drifting in the sands and fertile fields of The International Action Center continued its historic exposé of this DU is a byproduct of the process used to make nuclear bombs and U.S. tanks, Bradley fighting machines, A-10 attack jets and "Apache" 'Metal of Dishonor' To the political hip-hop of Movement in Motion arts collective Flounders alerted the gathering that over half of the 700,000 veterans Millions of Iraqis died of preventable diseases from the obliteration Sharon Eolis, a health care worker who traveled to Iraq in 1998 and IAC founder and former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark first raised The project also challenged U.S. government denials of DU's impact in The U.S. dropped 375 tons of DU on Iraq during the first Gulf War, and Clark: 'DU is war against the poor' Ramsey Clark traced his journey toward understanding the murderous In March 2001, Dr. Aws Albait, an Iraqi physician who worked in Illness and genetic damage is also occurring in the children of U.S. A study in the April 2003 New Scientist magazine suggests DU toxicity Clark stressed that the impact of DU unfolds over many years, and that 'A huge catastrophe' Juan Gonzalez, president of the Nation al Association of Hispanic Gonzalez broke the story on DU after the mother of a U.S. soldier on Gonzalez saw a connection to the effects of DU, and arranged for Denied testing at Walter Reed Military Hospital, they were examined in DU is the latest manifestation of the dangerous low-level radiation A 1990 report on the effects of DU, from the U.S. Army Armaments, Gonzalez was emphatic: "These weapons have to be eliminated or the Resisting war crimes Navy veteran Dustin Langley of SNAFU (Support Network for an Armed He described how soldiers--working people forced to enlist by the Langley urged the crowd to join the IAC and SNAFU in turning out for The solution? "A global mass movement--a multinational, multi-gendered For inspiration, he pointed to the heroic resistance in Falluja and to More inspiration for resistance came from Frank Velgara of the Vieques Kadouri al-Kaysi, an International Action Center member from Basra, Reprinted from the June 3, 2004, issue of Workers World newspaper (Copyright Workers World Service: Everyone is permitted to copy and É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: K. A. Cannon <kcan...@insurgent.orgy>
Data: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:52:39 -0400
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 12:52
Assunto: Re: Commentary - Discipline and Behavior in Combat Areas
"ssn...@bangserver.na" <ssn...@earthlink.net> posted
<ZWwuc.16197$Tn6.3...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> in us.military on Mon, 31 May 2004 02:40:57 GMT: >We also learned about There is the big problem. >responsibility and accountability and that if you are in >charge listen to your senior NCOs and your subordinates >before you decide anything and once you have you make the >decision and take the consequences for that decision for >good or ill. It's obvious the wonder boi techno-geeks don't listen to the subordinates, senior NCOs and your basic combat soldier. If they did...I think the Stryker wouldn't be so goddamn HUGE. I consider myself lucky...Since every Brigade and Battalion commander Show the Colonel. Rumsfeld doesn't listen, if it's not his idea it's not a good idea. -- mhm33x1 "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process "The person who stands up and says, 'This is stupid,' either is asked to Tom/Mark in alt.test sez: É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Data: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:07:49 GMT
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 13:07
Assunto: Re: Commentary - Discipline and Behavior in Combat Areas
"K. A. Cannon" <kcan...@insurgent.orgy> wrote in message
news:c9i8gq$heo$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com <snip> > Rumsfeld doesn't listen, if it's not his idea it's not a good idea. My impression is that he listens selectively to those who No matter who becomes CinC one thing should be made crystal Snark É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: "Duke of URL" <MacBe...@kdsi.net>
Data: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:59:57 -0500
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 14:59
Assunto: DDG 91 dedicated
Port Hueneme, Californya - The Navy dedicated its latest ship to a World War
2 sailor who earned the Navy Cross, but whose race prevented him from rising in the ranks. Several thousand people lined the docks of Naval Base Ventura County as naval officials commissioned the Pinckney, a guided-missile destroyer. It is only the 10th vessel named for a Black in the 229-year history of the USN. Bill Pinckney was a cook aboard the aircraft carrier Enterprise when he earned the Navy Cross in 1942. During the Battle of Santa Cruz, Japanese bombs killed 44 sailors on the Enterprise. After regaining consciousness after a blast knocked him out, Pinckney hauled a wounded shipmate through flames in an ammunition-handling area. He lost consciousness a second time, but revived and managed to hoist the man up several decks before heading back down on a futile search for other survivors. Pinckney suffered burns and shrapnel injuries. He left the Navy in 1946 to work as a cook on Merchant Marine vessels for 26 years before retiring. His widow attended the commissioning ceremonies Saturday. -- The One-and-only Holy MosesT É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: Otis Willie <americanwarlibr...@pacbell.net>
Data: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:20:48 GMT
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 16:20
Assunto: Ship Named For Hero of World War II Associated Press
Ship Named For Hero of World War II Associated Press
(EXCERPT) Sunday, May 30, 2004; Page A12 PORT HUENEME, Calif., May 29 -- Navy officials commissioned a The USS Pinckney is named for Navy Cook 3rd Class William Pinckney, U.S. and friendly nation laws prohibit fully reproducing http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1975-2004May30.html? --------------------------- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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De: Otis Willie <americanwarlibr...@pacbell.net>
Data: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:20:51 GMT
Local: Ter 1 jun 2004 16:20
Assunto: Speech: The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors
Speech: The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors
(EXCERPT) National Museum of the Pacific War Fredericksburg, Texas Hornfischer, James D., Author Mr. Hornfischer talked about his book, The Last Stand of the Tin Can http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dfullsc... --------------------------- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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