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1.  Henrietta K. Thomas  
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 Mais opções 11 jan 2003, 02:12
Grupos de notícias: us.military.navy, us.config
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Data: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 04:11:22 GMT
Local: Sab 11 jan 2003 02:11
Assunto: [ADMIN] CHARTER: us.military.navy
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Yours, Mine and Ours  
1.  James Anatidae  
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 Mais opções 11 jan 2003, 10:46
Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, us.military.navy
De: "James Anatidae" <parsh...@citcom.net>
Data: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 07:47:06 -0500
Local: Sab 11 jan 2003 10:47
Assunto: Re: Yours, Mine and Ours
Vince Brannigan <vze2t...@verizon.net> wrote in message

news:3E1F9378.4B20CD98@verizon.net...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:

> > He was superior to Ensign Pulver, therefore not a warrant officer.  I
think
> > a commander.

> wrong movie.  that was Mr Roberts.

> Vince

Fonda was a Lieutenant in Mr. Roberts.

Found an interesting site about the real Beardsleys:
http://mrs.umn.edu/~webbrl/YoursMineOurs/


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World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York  
1.  James Anatidae  
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 Mais opções 14 jan 2003, 08:43
Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, us.military.navy
De: "James Anatidae" <parsh...@citcom.net>
Data: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:49:38 -0500
Local: Ter 14 jan 2003 04:49
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York
Yeah, we know.  I posted a story on this on Dec. 29th.

Otis Willie <militaryinter...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

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2.  Sarge  
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 Mais opções 14 jan 2003, 15:35
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De: "Sarge" <classif...@unknown.com>
Data: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:35:14 -0800
Local: Ter 14 jan 2003 15:35
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York
I had a question regarding this.  I did see and hear about this on the news
and the one thing that the reports emphasized what that if the steel met
some standard that it would be used.  Why wouldn't the steel meet a standard
once it was melted down and refined again?  Doesn't melting it down and
refining it bring it back to it's optimum state?

And another question that is slightly off topic from this one.  On the same
new report that I was watching they said they would be naming a CVN after
George Bush.  I may be out of touch on this and don't know how things work
anymore, but I remember that it was bad to name a ship like that after
someone that was still alive.  Am I wrong on that?  Have they done that in
the past or is it just recent?

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3.  Andrew Toppan  
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 Mais opções 14 jan 2003, 20:17
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De: Andrew Toppan <actop...@gwi.net>
Data: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:20:33 -0500
Local: Ter 14 jan 2003 20:20
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York

On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:35:14 -0800, "Sarge" <classif...@unknown.com> wrote:
>some standard that it would be used.  Why wouldn't the steel meet a standard
>once it was melted down and refined again?  Doesn't melting it down and
>refining it bring it back to it's optimum state?

Melting it down doesn't change the basic chemical composition of the material.

>And another question that is slightly off topic from this one.  On the same
>new report that I was watching they said they would be naming a CVN after
>George Bush.  I may be out of touch on this and don't know how things work

GEORGE H.W. BUSH (CVN 77).  (not the current President!)

Naming ships for living people, while non-traditional, is fairly common now.

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4.  Keith Willshaw  
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 Mais opções 15 jan 2003, 05:42
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De: "Keith Willshaw" <keith@kwillshaw_NoSpam.demon.co.uk>
Data: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:43:01 -0000
Local: Qua 15 jan 2003 05:43
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York

"Andrew Toppan" <actop...@gwi.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:35:14 -0800, "Sarge" <classif...@unknown.com>
wrote:

> >some standard that it would be used.  Why wouldn't the steel meet a
standard
> >once it was melted down and refined again?  Doesn't melting it down and
> >refining it bring it back to it's optimum state?

> Melting it down doesn't change the basic chemical composition of the
material.

But adding alloying materials to the molten steel
most certainly will. Its not exactly uncommon for the
compositions of scrap steel to be altered in this way.

Keith


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5.  Mike Miller  
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 Mais opções 16 jan 2003, 09:48
Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, us.military.navy
De: cra...@hotmail.com (Mike Miller)
Data: 16 Jan 2003 03:48:32 -0800
Local: Qui 16 jan 2003 09:48
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York

Andrew Toppan <actop...@gwi.net> wrote in message <news:a5392vgm320hddd6ve9v54hmbnufcujq8s@4ax.com>...
> Melting it down doesn't change the basic chemical composition of the material.

However, melting is a choice time to alter the chemical composition.

US DoD milspecs incorporate provisions for using scrap as raw material
(sometimes: "don't" and sometimes: "if the final product meets these
chemical and mechanical properties, scrap is just peachy."

Mike Miller, Materials Engineer


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6.  AA Hartberger, USN  
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De: "AA Hartberger, USN" <aahartber...@DIESPAMDIEmail.com>
Data: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 03:51:55 GMT
Local: Qua 15 jan 2003 01:51
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York
Now, if they were really patriotic, they would put the mangled steel of the
WTC in something more substantial than an LPD... I mean, it took me a week
and a half to figure out what kind of ship the USS NEW YORK would be, and
it's an LPD? Maybe they could stick in the new carrier, that would be
patriotic. Of course, then people would be whining about putting it on a
carrier named for a Bush, etc....

Oh well. You just can't please everyone.

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7.  WB3FUP \(Mike Hall\)  
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 Mais opções 15 jan 2003, 10:48
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De: "WB3FUP \(Mike Hall\)" <wb3...@msn.com>
Data: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:47:49 -0500
Local: Qua 15 jan 2003 10:47
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York

"AA Hartberger, USN" <aahartber...@DIESPAMDIEmail.com> wrote in message
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> Now, if they were really patriotic, they would put the mangled steel of
the
> WTC in something more substantial than an LPD... I mean, it took me a week
> and a half to figure out what kind of ship the USS NEW YORK would be, and
> it's an LPD? Maybe they could stick in the new carrier, that would be
> patriotic. Of course, then people would be whining about putting it on a
> carrier named for a Bush, etc....

> Oh well. You just can't please everyone.

> --

Hey Swabbie,

Read James H. Cobb's most recent.  An LPD, carrying flag btw, paired w/ a
light cruiser or DD are the perfect "Special Operations" platform to battle
the Indonesian pirates.  The boat deck, and the helipad, make for an
effective way to transport us jarheads (I can say that) around.  The thing
that was unique w/ the New York is the departure from normal naming
structure.  LPD's are normally named after something else, and change was
made to accomodate WTC steel.  In the naming structure I am familiar with
BB's were named after states, think a class of sub is now.

tnx es cul

73

wb3fup
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8.  Joel Ehrlich  
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 Mais opções 15 jan 2003, 15:32
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De: jo...@pop4.net (Joel Ehrlich)
Data: 15 Jan 2003 17:32:14 GMT
Local: Qua 15 jan 2003 15:32
Assunto: Re: World Trade Center Steel To Be Used in USS New York
In article <b03l9n$lh3h...@ID-134747.news.dfncis.de>, wb3...@msn.com says...

>Read James H. Cobb's most recent.  An LPD, carrying flag btw, paired w/ a
>light cruiser or DD are the perfect "Special Operations" platform to battle
>the Indonesian pirates.  The boat deck, and the helipad, make for an
>effective way to transport us jarheads (I can say that) around.  The thing
>that was unique w/ the New York is the departure from normal naming
>structure.  LPD's are normally named after something else, and change was
>made to accomodate WTC steel.  In the naming structure I am familiar with
>BB's were named after states, think a class of sub is now.

It is my understanding that USS New York is named for the city of New York,
not the state of New York. In the old days that would have made her a light
cruiser. Today a ship bearing the name of a city not a state capitol might be
almost anything.

Joel


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