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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: "Keith Willshaw" <keith_wills...@compuserve.com>
Data: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:06:37 +0100
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 05:06
Assunto: Re: Japan military
news:3AEE13EE.93860A84@nozomi.co.jp...
> New Prime Minister Koizumi has added to China security concern by saying Hardly unsual the UK used to have a Ministry of War , now its the > to remove constitution limits on Japan's military. Mr Koizumi is not > doing anything dramatic. He is not forming a military but now calling > our "Self Defence Force" as a military. 240,000 soldiers, 1,000 tanks, > 16 submarines and 300 fighter planes is very much a text book describing > of military. We have been calling it "Self Defence Force" to be nice. Ministry of Defence <shrug> > It is still a provoking symbol that agitate China. We do this because Given that China outnumbers the new expanded Japanese > George W. Bush asked us to. We were surprised too. We would have thought > after Pearl Harbour the Americans would be the last to ask us to revive > our military. But something has to be done. Not to protect against China > but to revive US and Japanese economies. military by better than 10 to 1 I dont think they are really worried about a new invasion. As for reviving the economy then cutting taxes and removing regulation would seem likely to be more effective than a name change for the army. Keith É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: "Andy Bell" <a...@phoenixs.co.uk>
Data: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:29:59 +0100
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 08:29
Assunto: Re: Japan military
Large capital spending by central government is a way of injecting some life
into a stagnent economy. It was done in America in the 30's I think, wasn't the Hoover dam built by unemployed men who were given jobs on this project ? And rearmament created many jobs in Europe in the late 30's. Japan has a huge hi-tech industry, what better way to fill up their order Kill two birds with one stone, revive the economy and increase Japans IF the government can afford it.....It is in the US's interests to have a Just a few thoughts.... É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: (chenshaw<RE<MOVE>)@(TH+ESE)sympatico.ca) (Coridon Henshaw)
Data: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:35:36 GMT
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 15:35
Assunto: Re: Japan military
"Andy Bell" <a...@phoenixs.co.uk> wrote in
<3aee9f38$0$12249$ed9e5...@reading.news.pipex.net>: >IF the government can afford it.....It is in the US's interests to I don't think that is too likely. The U.S. makes a lot of noise >have a strong counter balance to Chinese strength in that area, >maybe the US will provide some help in this area in the form of >favourable loans and sharing technology ?? about the need for its allies to pick up more of their defensive tab, but when push comes to shove the U.S. fights tooth an nail to prevent other countries from developing significant military forces. When the the U.S. says 'pick up the tab' I think they mean it as 'pay us' rather than 'do the work yourself.' It's pretty clear that the Americans won't tolerate anyone attempting to upset their status as the largest bully in the sandbox. -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: Stephen Harding <hard...@hobart.cs.umass.edu>
Data: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:03:41 -0400
Local: Qua 2 maio 2001 10:03
Assunto: Re: Japan military
"chenshaw TH+ESE Coridon Henshaw" wrote:
> I don't think that is too likely. The U.S. makes a lot of noise And what does America do to countries that "threaten" to not allow > about the need for its allies to pick up more of their defensive tab, > but when push comes to shove the U.S. fights tooth an nail to prevent > other countries from developing significant military forces. When > the the U.S. says 'pick up the tab' I think they mean it as 'pay us' > rather than 'do the work yourself.' It's pretty clear that the > Americans won't tolerate anyone attempting to upset their status as > the largest bully in the sandbox. the US to defend them by building up their own militaries? SMH É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: Kerryn Offord <ka...@student.canterbury.ac.nz>
Data: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:02:54 +1200
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 19:02
Assunto: Re: Japan military
Andy Bell wrote: The problem with this is that money spent on weapons is lost, i.e., > Large capital spending by central government is a way of injecting some life > And rearmament created many jobs in Europe in the late 30's. offers no return on investment (there is a significant opportunity cost of the money spent on weapons compared with the potential income from other possible investments), while the Hoover dam produced electricity (I assume) which is an economic return. (Or, Dams have an economic value after they are constructed, can the Rearmament in Europe in the late 1930's was more a reaction to a threat É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
Encaminhar para: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: sjfor...@Bayou.UH.EDU (Steven James Forsberg)
Data: 1 May 2001 12:01:55 GMT
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 09:01
Assunto: Re: Japan military
: > There has been discussion that dropping the "self defense" line : The problem though, is Japan's economy isn't the most robust in the It wouldn't have to be a "major" expansion, the Japanese military regards, É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: Stephen Harding <hard...@hobart.cs.umass.edu>
Data: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:10:23 -0400
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 10:10
Assunto: Re: Japan military
Steven James Forsberg wrote: They could use the same strategy they used for consumer goods. Target a > It wouldn't have to be a "major" expansion, the Japanese military > budget is large enough that shifting some money around could easily > provide funds to start such programs in at least small numbers. I don't > think it would take much (either missiles or 'bombers') to get the attention > of everyone else in the region. It would probably be cheaper than > alternative 'conventional' up arming plans (like mini-carriers and gator > forces) sometimes bandied about. small area of military technological development: missiles, radars, communications, whatever, and do it well. > parts of Asia she hasn't already purchased :-). The introduction of That would definitely get the world's attention! > theater ballistic missiles into the Japanese arsenal could be enough to > drive US regional strategy bonkers (all the more reason for Japan to > suggest we do something to forestall such a possibility...). Instead of forstalling the possibility, it would encourage US-Japanese SMH É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: Stephen Harding <hard...@hobart.cs.umass.edu>
Data: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:02:03 -0400
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 10:02
Assunto: Re: Japan military
Atori Sakana wrote: If Japan does this, it will be because Japan's leadership sees it is in > It is still a provoking symbol that agitate China. We do this because > George W. Bush asked us to. We were surprised too. We would have thought its interests to do so. It will not be as a favor to George Bush. > after Pearl Harbour the Americans would be the last to ask us to revive Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima will be sources of friction between the US and > our military. But something has to be done. Not to protect against China > but to revive US and Japanese economies. Japan forever, but practical political leaders won't let such events dictate policies 50 years after the fact. Influence, yes, but dictate, no. It makes good sense for the US to see a more militarily capable Japan when Seems to me Japan has a strong and viable democratic oriented leadership I think it is time for Japan to take on military and political I applaud the idea of a more capable Japanese military, but note I'm a SMH É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, rec.aviation.military
De: "B F Lake" <bfl...@coastnet.com>
Data: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:45:09 -0000
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 12:45
Assunto: Re: Japan military
Stephen Harding <hard...@hobart.cs.umass.edu> wrote in article
> I think it is time for Japan to take on military and political If the people let them change the constitution ( like the people have any > responsibilites that are more consumate with its economic power say) this could mean they can pass an Act to re-create the Imperial Japanese Navy ! It will run wild in the Pacific for six months, then... oops wrong script. OK it will need a proper flagship . None of your DDG crap either. A On visits to Pearl, it can fire its 21 gun salutes straight at that The USN will be forced to respond. The Germans too, a replica BISMARCK Regards, É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Jack Love <jacklo...@earthlink.x.net>
Data: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:41:20 -0700
Local: Ter 1 maio 2001 18:41
Assunto: Re: Japan military
On Tue, 01 May 2001 15:45:09 -0000, "B F Lake" <bfl...@coastnet.com>
wrote: >Stephen Harding <hard...@hobart.cs.umass.edu> wrote in article As far as 'defense spending capital infusions to stimulate the >> I think it is time for Japan to take on military and political >If the people let them change the constitution ( like the people have any >It will run wild in the Pacific for six months, then... oops wrong script. >OK it will need a proper flagship . None of your DDG crap either. A economy' go just wait till they transform the new-Yamato into the orbital spaceship that will be demanded by all of the fans! >It will look great and pay for itself as a movie prop and from millionaires That does infringe on the patented rights of the Iowas to look >willing to pay $20 million just to be the officer -of- the- watch for an >afternoon. good...I think the USN might complain vigorously. >On visits to Pearl, it can fire its 21 gun salutes straight at that Oops, you HAVE come up with the true reason for bringing the Iowas >moribund old tub the USN has there, another great son et lumiere event for >the tourists as BB vs BB is seen again . This will also go over big on >Japanese TV replacing Godzilla re-runs. >The USN will be forced to respond. The Germans too, a replica BISMARCK back. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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