Heard a reporter talking about the Alaskan Airlines crash.  He claimed
that a knot was 6 mph.  Lets see, a carrier doing 30 knots would work
out to 180 mph wouldn't it.  See those carrier are faster than people
thought.

Especially as the original reports were anything between 40 and 72
*knots*.  Wowee - put wings on the thing and fly it to wherever you
want it!

Eugene L Griessel                  eug...@dynagen.co.za  

www.dynagen.co.za/eugene
SAAF Crashboat Page - www.dynagen.co.za/eugene/eug3.htm

Thought for the day  .......

Civilization:  Stone age => Bronze age => Iron age => Garbage.

ALDERNEY, "bomb sloop", launched 1735, hulked at Jamaica in 1742. Her lines
were taken from a draught drawn by the Duke of Cumberland. 262 tons. 90' 6"
, 72' 10" x 26' 1" x 11'. Complement 60. Armament 2 mortars, 10 guns, 14
swivels. She took part in the 1740 bombardment of Cartegena as part of
Vernon's squadron. For a general disccussion of "bombs" and of the influence
of the ALDERNEY's design on subsequent ships see Chris Ware's "The Bomb
Vessel" (Conway) 1994, ISBN 0 85177 631 0.

Peter Beeston

The downside of such organisations was demonstrated at Gallipoli,
where the troop ships were packed for load efficiency rather than
ease of command; ie if there was space for 1.2 battalions on a
troop ship, then 1.2 battalions they got - pity the CO with his Bn
spread across several ships....

Similarly, vehicle loading was organised by loggies even up until
the Suez crisis; which meant that the first vehicle ashore was
reputedly the Officers' Mess truck of the Life Guards......(although
being a Regiment of good breeding, they probably wouldn't
consider a fight without the Mess silver and linen :-)

Martin
First of Foot, Right of the Line

//The downside of such organisations was demonstrated at Gallipoli,
where the troop ships were packed for load efficiency rather than
ease of command; ie if there was space for 1.2 battalions on a
troop ship, then 1.2 battalions they got - pity the CO with his Bn
spread across several ships....//
        Also it seems once the troops were landed and under fire it was discovered
that the transports had been loaded upside down, with the guns and
munitions buried under tents and clothing  :(
Regards,
Barry

In message <389630F6.8AA72...@cybercom.net> - Dale Farmer <D...@cybercom.net>
writes:
|
|
|    I was taught that the chairman of the joint chiefs was not in
|the chain of command.  It went CNO, SECNAV, SECDEF,
|President.  Did that change since I got out?

I don't know when you got out, but I believe that first changed
in 48.  The most recent change was the Goldwater/Nichols
Defense Reorganitztion Act (84?) which changed the relationship
of the joint chiefs, the chairman, and the SecDef, and created a
new position of vice chairman.

scott s.
.

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:03:50 -0500, Dale Farmer <D...@cybercom.net>
wrote:

Following the reorganization of 1986 the various members of the JCS
less the CJCS, are NOT in the chain of command.  The current chain of
command goes:  President (NCA) - SECDEF- CJCS-Unified Commander- Fleet
Commander.  For example:  President-SECDEF-CJCS-CINCCENT-COM5th
Fleet/COMUSNAVCENT-CTF50-CTG50.1 etc...

This means that the CNO joins the Type Commanders in having zero role
in the operational chain of command.  His/her job is to train and
prepare forces for war but not to command them in war.

If you read up on the role of the CJCS during ODS and contrast it with
the insignificance of the CNO then you see how Goldwater-Nichols has
impacted the post WWII organization of the forces and, even more, the
vast difference between the CNO/SECNAV role in WWII.

On an odd note, I recall a conversation with a Marine COL from last
years FBE-E where he asked me what the chain of command looked like
for the mobile unit I was inserting in the exercise.  I asked him,
"which chain, operational or administrative."  He freaked.  He told me
any marine rifleman could tell me who he reported to and didn't have
to ask bullsh*t questions about operational vice admin chains of
command and did I know what the hell I was talking about.  Once again,
2 services seperated by a common language.....

Admin chain of command for naval forces

ship/unit-DESRON/SERVRON-CRUDESGRU/PHIBGRU/EODGRU--SURFPAC/SURFLANT-CNO

        "Yo!  point your rifles over there!"

        "Who's asking?"
regards,
random

On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 06:40:55 GMT, random...@ix.netcom.com (Random)
wrote:

Did you leave out CincLantFlt/PacFlt, or did that admin level go away?
Do type commanders really report directly to the CNO these days?

Steve

CincLantFlt/PacFlt still exist and the TyComs still report to them.

Thanks. There's a similar CoC thread running in alt.books.tom-clancy
and I went and found the CincLantFlt web site last night. Right there
in the mission statement as to what they do--provide trained, ready
forces to the operational commanders.

Steve