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1.  Prof. Vincent Brannigan  
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 Mais opções 1 nov 1999, 06:00
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De: "Prof. Vincent Brannigan" <fire...@wam.umd.edu>
Data: 1999/11/01
Assunto: Re: Euro Court overrides Brit. Military!!!

> >Well, before we go into Spaniard bashing,

> I am not Spanish bashing: I am Brannigan bashing.

Except you are not very good at it. You do not seem to understand the
difference between "bashing" a person and refining an idea by
challenging its underpinnings.  you also seem to rely on purely textual
analysis.

> Look Michael, I don't want to quarrel with you.  Why not just
> let me do Brannigan and be on my way?

Be on your way.  its fine with me.  

you have simply sloshed together unrelated cases to try to make an
obscure point.  
I stand by my earlier point.  Modern Concentration camps are used for
the roundup of  political "enemies" of the regime.  They do not include
military clearances, Indian reservations, etc.  They are the subject of
new international treaties in time of war

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/y4gcpcp.htm

From Britannica

concentration camp

internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or
minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security,
exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military
order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of
identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than
as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial.
Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning
persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war
camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of
war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention
and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers
of displaced persons.

During war, civilians have been concentrated in camps to prevent them
from engaging in guerrilla warfare or from providing aid to enemy
forces, or simply as a means of terrorizing the populace into
submission. During the South African War (1899-1902) the British
confined noncombatants of the republics of Transvaal and Cape Colony in
concentration camps. Another instance of interning
noncombatant civilians occurred shortly after the outbreak of
hostilities between Japan and the United States (Dec. 7, 1941), when
more than 100,000 Japanese and Japanese-Americans on the
West Coast were taken into custody and placed in camps in the
interior. (See Executive Order 9066.)

Political concentration camps instituted primarily to reinforce the
state's control have been established in various forms under many
totalitarian regimes--most extensively in Nazi Germany and the
Soviet Union. To a considerable extent, the camps served as the special
prisons of the secret police. Nazi concentration camps were under the
administration of the SS; forced-labour camps of the
Soviet Union were operated by a succession of organizations beginning in
1917 with the Cheka and ending in the early 1990s with the KGB. (See
National Socialism.)

Vince


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silent service tv series  
1.  mm1ss  
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 Mais opções 1 nov 1999, 06:00
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De: mm...@my-deja.com
Data: 1999/11/01
Assunto: silent service tv series
Does anyone know if the old Silent Service syndicated tv series is
available on video?

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.


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2.  Ives100  
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 Mais opções 1 nov 1999, 06:00
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De: ives...@aol.com (Ives100)
Data: 1999/11/01
Assunto: Re: silent service tv series
No, It's not.  The SubCommittee (http://www/wolfsong.com/SubCommittee/) has
been trying to "liberate" this series from the NBC vaults, so far without any
luck.  Last I heard, episodes are shown at the USS Bowfin museum in Hawaii.
Tom Dougherty  (Ives...@aol.com)

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Polish Navy emblems  
1.  Kuba Ciechanowski  
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De: "Kuba Ciechanowski" <c...@hmcomputer.mtl.pl>
Data: 1999/11/01
Assunto: Polish Navy emblems

I offer several emblems of modern Polish Navy, including patches for ship crews.
Photographs + offers - go to:

http://hmcomputer.mtl.pl./plmilitaria/

      Grzegorz Ciechanowski        f...@plmilitaria.com.pl


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Bombs Away -- From Puerto Rico, by Manuel Rodriguez-Orellana  
1.  The Amer War Lib'y  
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Data: 1999/11/01
Assunto: Bombs Away -- From Puerto Rico, by Manuel Rodriguez-Orellana
01 Nov 1999
Bombs Away -- From Puerto Rico, by Manuel Rodriguez-Orellana

EXCERPT: " VIEQUES, Puerto Rico—Almost 30 years ago, I served a
three-month federal sentence for interrupting the U.S. Navy's military
maneuvers in the Puerto Rican island-municipality of Culebra. As in
Culebra then, the Navy has been conducting military exercises in
Vieques, Puerto Rico's other island-municipality, for almost 60 years.
Puerto Rican residents have been threatened by the Navy's bombardment
and squeezed into a narrow strip of land. Once more, I am defying
federal authorities from a Navy firi..."

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Sweden's naval strategy  
1.  Yama  
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 Mais opções 1 nov 1999, 06:00
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De: Yama <tj...@paju.oulu.fi>
Data: 1999/11/01
Assunto: Re: Sweden's naval strategy

Peter Nelson wrote:
> The bigger problem with small ships is that it's hard to mount
> decent Close-In anti-ship-missile defences on such tiny platforms.

> You can't put a Goalkeeper or Phalanx on one.

Yes you can if you want to (well probably not Goalkeeper). Many
fUSSR FACs had 30mm CIWS. Most FACs have two gun systems, or one gun
and one missile launcher (Sadral in Finnish missile boats, for
example).

> You can't do naval warfare on the cheap!    We had this
> discussion a few weeks ago about a new class of vessels
> Norway was deploying.    We also saw here recently how
> New Zealand has decided that an air-defense upgrade to their
> surface fleet was too expensive so now they're casting
> about for an alternative.
> <snip>
> And remember, it's not the asset, it's the mission:   The fact
> that these boat are cheap and have small crews may make them
> expendable to members of parliament in these little countries
> but are they willing to sacrifice the mission these vessels are
> trying to perform?

Alternative would be having one or two small frigates. Would that be
better? You are not entirely wrong, of course, some time ago I
expressed my doubts about Finnish Navy concentrating too much on
small surface combatants. Point is, with missile boats or small
corvettes you can field credible threat against enemy surface assets
which come too close to shore, and that's main missions of the navy.
Mistake is to think that these vessels can operate successfully
without support from other assets.

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2.  Peter Nelson  
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De: "Peter Nelson" <plnel...@mediaone.net>
Data: 1999/11/01
Assunto: Re: Sweden's naval strategy

Yama wrote in message <381DD67A.D1053...@paju.oulu.fi>...
>Peter Nelson wrote:

>> And remember, it's not the asset, it's the mission:   The fact
>> that these boat are cheap and have small crews may make them
>> expendable to members of parliament in these little countries
>> but are they willing to sacrifice the mission these vessels are
>> trying to perform?

>Alternative would be having one or two small frigates.

The other alternative would be to stop trying
to nickel and dime their national defense.  Granted,
most of these nations have tiny economies, but they
also spend less than places like the US even as a
PERCENTAGE of their GDP.

---peter


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3.  Yama  
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De: Yama <tj...@paju.oulu.fi>
Data: 1999/11/02
Assunto: Re: Sweden's naval strategy

Peter Nelson wrote:
> Yama wrote in message <381DD67A.D1053...@paju.oulu.fi>...

> >Alternative would be having one or two small frigates.

> The other alternative would be to stop trying
> to nickel and dime their national defense.  Granted,
> most of these nations have tiny economies, but they
> also spend less than places like the US even as a
> PERCENTAGE of their GDP.

Yes, because these countries has no need to throw their weight around
the globe. Also in general they live in rather peaceful parts of the
world.

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But then why have a navy at all? (was: Re: Sweden's naval strategy)  
4.  Peter Nelson  
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De: "Peter Nelson" <plnel...@mediaone.net>
Data: 1999/11/02
Assunto: But then why have a navy at all? (was: Re: Sweden's naval strategy)

Sure but then why have a navy at all?

If they don't expect to be in a conflict they can just
have a coast guard to rescue sinking ships or inderdict
smugglers.

The PROBABILITY of a conflict seems irrelevant to the size
and capabilities of the navy.      That makes as much sense
as sizing a seatbelt according to the probability of my being in
a car crash.   I weigh 173 pounds.   If I think my chances of being
in a crash are low does it follow that I can use a seatbelt that
can only hold a 130 pound person?    That would be nonsense.

If you decide you might need a seatbelt you have to get
one that works,   Ditto with a parachute.

---peter


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5.  SVENSSON ANDERS  
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De: "SVENSSON ANDERS" <anders-ann...@telia.com>
Data: 1999/11/02
Assunto: SV: But then why have a navy at all? (was: Re: Sweden's naval strategy)

Peter Nelson <plnel...@mediaone.net> skrev i
diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:_UET3.60$Xf1.1...@wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net...

> Yama wrote in message <381EB47C.92741...@paju.oulu.fi>...

> >Peter Nelson wrote:

> >> Yama wrote in message <381DD67A.D1053...@paju.oulu.fi>...

> >> >Alternative would be having one or two small frigates.

> >> The other alternative would be to stop trying
> >> to nickel and dime their national defense.  Granted,
> >> most of these nations have tiny economies, but they
> >> also spend less than places like the US even as a
> >> PERCENTAGE of their GDP.

US spends a lot. Sweden however does as I have stated here before spend alot
for being a small nation and that is probably because the exposed position
during the cold war and because Sweden is not a member of any military
alliance.
Figures state that Sweden in absolute numbers are ending up in 20 th
position in the world and calculated per capita 11 place. In dollars that
has been the last years (coming down) ~5 billion dollars on total military
defence cost, of them ~2,3 billion is spent on materiel.

> >Yes, because these countries has no need to throw their weight around
> >the globe. Also in general they live in rather peaceful parts of the
> >world.

> Sure but then why have a navy at all?

Navy is one out of three parameters that are to do the work. It all had to
be ballanced, now enough strength in all forces enough to keep competens up
to date is soposed to be kept.

> If they don't expect to be in a conflict they can just
> have a coast guard to rescue sinking ships or inderdict
> smugglers.

> The PROBABILITY of a conflict seems irrelevant to the size
> and capabilities of the navy. That makes as much sense
> as sizing a seatbelt according to the probability of my being in
> a car crash.

If you calculate that a minor threat, crisis, stc can be handled with the
navy at proper location and that a war should be handled by the navy jointly
with the other forces. Whats wrong with that?

   I weigh 173 pounds.   If I think my chances of being

> in a crash are low does it follow that I can use a seatbelt that
> can only hold a 130 pound person?    That would be nonsense.

> If you decide you might need a seatbelt you have to get
> one that works,   Ditto with a parachute.

If you only jumps from a chair you need quite a small parachute. ;)


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