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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: msaroff.123...@pobox.com (Matthew Saroff (Remove .123456 to reply))
Data: 1999/07/01
Assunto: Re: Question on killfiles
Ben Phillipps <bp...@students.latrobe.edu.au> wrote: I'd suggest adding "USS Liberty". The conversation is >Hello, >Just wondering what are the common topics on peoples killfiles here >I have netscape 4.5 and the message filter on the doesn't seem to be vaguely interesting the first time, but it repeats every two weeks. -- Matthew Saroff | Standard Disclaimer: Not only do I speak for _____ | No one else, I don't even Speak for me. All my / o o \ | personalities and the spirits that I channel ______|_____|_____| disavow all knowledge of my activities. ;-) uuu U uuu | | In fact, all my personalities and channeled spirits Saroff wuz here | hate my guts. (Well, maybe with garlic & butter...) For law enforcment officials monitoring the net: abortion, marijuana, cocaine, cia,plutonium, ammonium nitrate, militia, dea, nsa, pgp, hacker, assassinate. Send suggestions for new and interesting words to: msar...@123456.pobox.com. (remove the numbers to reply) Check http://www.pobox.com/~msaroff, including The Bad Hair Web Page É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "Clive Burt" <cl...@burt18.freeserve.co.uk>
Data: 1999/07/01
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
Why is it any different to the preservation of the American BB's or HMS
Belfast ? Regards Clive Andrew C. Toppan <actop...@gwi.net> wrote in message > Paul Cassidy (paul.cass...@wxs.nl) was seen to write: http://www.uss-salem.org/ > > They really should have preserved Warspite. If any ship deserved to live, it > > was her! > I would not want to be the museum tasked with preserving that floating > -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Adam <Ahowar...@prodigy.net>
Data: 1999/07/01
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
> Why is it any different to the preservation of the American BB's or HMS Her material condition. She was in very, VERY bad shape and would have > Belfast ? been scrapped after the glide bomb hit she took at Salerno if more fire suppport hadn't been needed along the Walcheren coast. For example turret three was out of action. A good book on the subject it "HMS Warspite." They basically just fixed her up enought to put her to sea one last time. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: skelt...@home.com (Peter Skelton)
Data: 1999/07/02
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
Adam <Ahowar...@prodigy.net> wrote: Warspite was kept in service for sentimental reasons. The RN had two or >> Why is it any different to the preservation of the American BB's or HMS >> Belfast ? >Her material condition. She was in very, VERY bad shape and would have more BB's in better condition sitting at the pier for lack of crews from before D Day on. -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "Paul J. Adam" <P...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk>
Data: 1999/07/01
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
In article <7lgns7$ia...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Clive Burt <clive@burt1
8.freeserve.co.uk> writes >Why is it any different to the preservation of the American BB's or HMS Warspite was in _horrible_ shape by war's end. Belfast was preserved >Belfast ? >Regards in, IIRC, 1970 or so, in reasonable overall condition (she was in fine fettle last time I was aboard) - Warspite was staggering from warzone to warzone without much secondary armament, one 15" turret gone, half her machinery spaces ruined, and by war's end she was a constructive total loss. If the money had been available, Warspite should have been saved Tragic, but true. I wish we had a dreadnought battleship in Pompey Perhaps we could acquire an Iowa-class BB? ;) -- Paul J. Adam p...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: j_mian...@ix.netcom.com (John Mianowski)
Data: 1999/07/01
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
In article <E3WlrXApD$e3E...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk>,
P...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk says... > Perhaps we could acquire an Iowa-class BB? ;) them?!? ;-) JM -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "G. Smith" <g_smith...@hotmail.com>
Data: 1999/07/01
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
We're not talking about refurbishing HMS Warspite to the point that she
could have been placed in the reserve, we're talking about preserving one of the most valuable cultural, technological and historic icons of the past two centuries. Her scrapping was a loss to the whole of the English speaking peoples. Those scars were not just battle damage or signs of hard use, they were badges of honor, earned in protecting her crews' lives, and the lives of the sailors and soldiers she was charged with protecting. Warspite should have been made safe for visitors during preservation, but in so far as practical, the damage should have remained. I for one would have felt it an honor to see the concrete holding her together at the end. I realize that times were difficult after the war, but Britain did Please pardon this little tirade; I realize that few, if any, of the É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: actop...@gwi.net (Andrew C. Toppan)
Data: 1999/07/02
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
G. Smith (g_smith...@hotmail.com) was seen to write:
> We're not talking about refurbishing HMS Warspite to the point that she [snip silly tirade] > could have been placed in the reserve, we're talking about preserving > one of the most valuable cultural, technological and historic icons of I certainly hope you're volunteering all your free time and money to help -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Julian Barker <jul...@rodent.demon.co.uk>
Data: 1999/07/02
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
G. Smith <g_smith...@hotmail.com> wrote >We're not talking about refurbishing HMS Warspite to the point that she I think you misunderstand the British psyche. >could have been placed in the reserve, we're talking about preserving >one of the most valuable cultural, technological and historic icons of >the past two centuries. Her scrapping was a loss to the whole of the >English speaking peoples. Those scars were not just battle damage or >signs of hard use, they were badges of honor, earned in protecting her >crews' lives, and the lives of the sailors and soldiers she was charged >with protecting. Warspite should have been made safe for visitors during >preservation, but in so far as practical, the damage should have >remained. I for one would have felt it an honor to see the concrete >holding her together at the end. The average Brit is very proud of the nations naval heritage, but they The country is full of pubs named after naval heroes, for example the A few places are named after ships, but it is extremely rare. Even very The British people do not need ships, they know that a navy is not any -- There is a coherent plan in the universe, É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "G. Smith" <g_smith...@hotmail.com>
Data: 1999/07/02
Assunto: Re: Why no preseved UK Battleships ?
Thank you for your insight, Julian. You're right, of course. Monuments to men
are much more meaningful than monuments to technology. As a professor of mechanical engineering I may be predisposed to forget that. By the way, I meant absolutely no disrespect to the British people, and hope É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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