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Was HMS Dreadnought not a "Dreadnought"?
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: pgra...@exis.net (Peter H. Granzeau)
Data: 1999/05/01
Assunto: Re: Was HMS Dreadnought not a "Dreadnought"?
On Sat, 01 May 1999 07:46:52 -0700, "Prof. Vincent Brannigan"
Just missed them. 12 more turrets, completed later, in 1911-1913. I doubt the switch to 50 cal. was done transparently, and yet, nine It is still a question in my mind that Dreadnought was such a great I can see that the King Edward VII class might have been getting 12" Regards, PHG É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Jane Fonda
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "jdhil" <jd...@worldnet.att.net>
Data: 1999/05/01
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda
Hanoi Jane should never be given a public forum to spew her venom.
Happiness is knowing that one day she'll be just another fat old pig. jd É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: patdo...@aol.com (Patdog24)
Data: 1999/05/02
Assunto: Jane Fonda
Jane Fonda is scheduled to speak at the annual American Bar Association (of
which I am a member) convention in Atlanta in August. For those of you as outraged at that as I am, I encourage you to e mail your thoughts to the ABA: abasvcc...@abanet.org. ( I understand that his posting does not completely fit within the guidelines for posting on this board, but as Jane's activities during the war affected Naval personnel, I think it is arguable that the posting is not inappropriate.) Thanks. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "gws" <g...@oscn.net>
Data: 1999/05/02
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda
Patdog24 wrote in message <19990501202936.13131.00001...@ng-ch1.aol.com>... I, too am a lawyer, although no longer an ABA member. The ABA leadership's >Jane Fonda is scheduled to speak at the annual American Bar Association (of >which I am a member) convention in Atlanta in August. For those of you as >outraged at that as I am, I encourage you to e mail your thoughts to the ABA: >abasvcc...@abanet.org. ( I understand that his posting does not completely fit >within the guidelines for posting on this board, but as Jane's activities >during the war affected Naval personnel, I think it is arguable that the >posting is not inappropriate.) Thanks. choice of Jane Fonda seems pretty typical of what I have observed of its positions and judgment over the past 10 years or so. They seem to regard themselves as the liberals from central casting with their anti death penalty and militant gun control positions. Fonda, it seems to me, will fit in nicely. The ABA was not always this way. We have had a couple of Oklahoma City guys, both of whom I knew well, who were ABA presidents. Neither is a leftist activist. I cannot explain what happened to the organization but I agree that it has been co-opted by its extreme element and has lost its way. Grey Satterfield É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: seawlf...@aol.com (SeaWlf777)
Data: 1999/05/02
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda
>Subject: Re: Jane Fonda I heard it mentioned that you were a Captain; >From: "gws" <g...@oscn.net> >Date: 5/2/99 9:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time >Message-id: <akYW2.43$Hj2.3342...@news.randori.com> <snip> >I, too am a lawyer, although no longer an ABA member. <snip> >Grey Satterfield I'm assuming you were with JAG? Brian Brian D. McCray - Nuclear engineering - US Navy - bdmcc...@DOD.navy.org É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "gws" <g...@sct.state.ok.us>
Data: 1999/05/03
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda
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| >Subject: Re: Jane Fonda | >From: "gws" <g...@oscn.net> | >Date: 5/2/99 9:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time | >Message-id: <akYW2.43$Hj2.3342...@news.randori.com> | <snip> | >I, too am a lawyer, although no longer an ABA member. | <snip> | >Grey Satterfield | > | > | | I heard it mentioned that you were a Captain; | I'm assuming you were with JAG? I get accused of that all the time. (>: Actually, I am an NROTC graduate of Grey Satterfield É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Daniel McCarthy <mccar...@worldnet.att.net>
Data: 1999/05/02
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda
I am also a lawyer and the ABA's left wing political slant is the
primary reason I have declined its many invitations to join. A request for those of you who are old enough to remember Jane's activities during Vietnam: What exactly did she do on behalf of the the North Vietnamese other than making the trip to Hanoi and pose for a photo opportunity on an anti-aircraft gun? I've heard rumors that she taunted American POWs but I've never had that confirmed. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "Prof. Vincent Brannigan" <v...@umail.umd.edu>
Data: 1999/05/02
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda
Daniel McCarthy wrote: Jane Fonda proved that the people who believe that we are a special > I am also a lawyer and the ABA's left wing political slant is the country because of the First Amendment are correct. She made a stupid and pointless visit to North Vietnam long after the war was efectively lost. Im always astonished at the people who claim they are fighting for freedom who don't understand the importance of protecting the freedom to dissent. I have to laugh at the suggestion that the ABA is "left wing" It is pro lawyer (naturally), it is also pro free speach, etc. I'd be the last to suggest that what is good for lawyers is good for the country, but I dont think the concept that even poor people have rights is "left wing". Vince É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: patdo...@aol.com (Patdog24)
Data: 1999/05/02
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda
You are certainly correct that our Constitution, particularly the
Bill of Rights, makes this country special, and Jane Fonda's rights of freedom of expression are protected under the First Amendment to the Bill of Right. Because of that, I have never been one to suggest that she should have been prosecuted for the things she said and did during the war. However, an invitation for a non lawyer to speak at the ABA convention is an honor, reserved to special people who have contributed to our society. Other than her stint as a starlet, the only activities for which she has obtained public attentionwere her activitites against the war. If she has done nothing else to deserve an honor, then the ABA must be honoring her for such activities during the war. As a member of the ABA, I find it offensive for the Association to so honor her (and probably to spend my dues to pay her for speaking). By the way, I, too, believe that poor people have rights and spend time, which could have otherwise been spent profitably, attending to the rights of those who are less than affluent. Nevertheless, as an expression of my First Amendment rights, I tell you that the things Jane Fonda did during the war offended me greatly. I have close friends who opposed the war, but they expressed their opposition, and, in the course, exercise their First Amendment rights, appropriately. Jane Fonda went beyond an expression of her first amenment rights, and, I firmly believe, provided aid and comfort to the other side. The actions of the ABA in honoring her by having her speak to the annual convention are beyond the pale. REC É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Jane Fonda & Jesse Jackson
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "Hannah Family" <khan...@pyramid.net>
Data: 1999/05/03
Assunto: Re: Jane Fonda & Jesse Jackson
-- Eugene Griessel <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote in article > "gws" <g...@sct.state.ok.us> wrote: Because most people, even those who vote, don't have much in the way of > I for one have *never* understood the logic > that allows people to take Hollywood types stands on environmental or > political issues seriously. brains, and some make rutabagas look good in the brain department. This is true for the majority of voters who support both major parties and the swing voters. THESE are the people that the ads are pointed at, not me, and presumably, not you. Both sides do it (Robert Redford vs Charton Heston) because these are the people that matter on election day. They also cater to special interest groups because these fund the ads to get to the other people. > Why in hell should I vote for Willie Mainly because most of the voters have even fewer neurons than Veronica, > Stealabuck merely because Veronica Vavoom supports him? Knowing full > well that the buxom Veronica has not two brain cells to rub together > most of the time and the two assets that *did* get her stardom don't > do much thinking. and care more about her bloated sweat glands and what they can get out of her than anything else. Maybe the founding fathers were on to something giving voting rights only to landowners. Not a perfect system, but how much worse than the one we have now (assuming equal access for all, which was definitely absent at that time). > Eugene L Griessel Dan "You guys are nothing but a pack of cards" Hannah > Support the Ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide now! > It is better to be the object of a noisy demonstration than É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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