<alve...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>RudyFr wrote:

>> According to the news story the sailors will ferry and charter boats after
>> being bussed to docks. They wil use the ferries that exist and charter boasts.
>> Cost was stated at about $2,100,000. About 1,000 sailors are involved in each
>> workday commute.
>> Rudy Friederich

>It sounds cheaper than moving the married sailors to the other side of the Puget
>Sound for six months.

>ALV

> It was announced today , 1 Apr 99, in the Victoria

> Captain J J Quinn , USN , CO of the giant carrier, USS Abraham
Lincoln,
> that the entire crew and families of the ship would be moving
to Victoria,
> BC for the duration of the refit at Bremerton, rather than
staying at
> Everett.
> After a number of friendly annual port visits to Victoria, the
crew voted
> en masse for this choice, he said.  It has been approved ,
since instead of
> costing $2M, US for ferries from Everett, "we have leased the
new BC
> Ferries "Pacificat" 35 kt car and passenger ferries for the
> Victoria-Bremerton commute , taking advantage of the 1.51
exchange rate ,
> the USN comes out $3M ahead."
> The Esquimalt Dock, which held the liner, "Queen Elizabeth" in
1942, was
> unavailable for the refit itself.   Most of the crew will stay
at the
> Empress Hotel, which even a USN ordinary seaman can afford
using US
> dollars, and will get  complimentary English breakfasts prior
to boarding
> the ferry in the morning and the traditional "Tea at the
Empress" on
> returning each day.
> The people of Victoria are delighted with this development, but
the mayor
> of Everett had ,"no comment" at Press time.

> Their was a Midway class aircraft carrier named USS Santa Cruz.  However before
> commissioning she was renamed Franklin Roosevelt when the President died.

gws wrote:

> Velovich <velov...@aol.com.CanDo> wrote in message
> news:19990331162339.15626.00000272@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> > >Even infrastructure such as Road , Rail , bridges and power
> > >have not been targeted. If you want to know what this can do
> > >remeber Sarajevo which had no power or water for
> > >MONTHS because the serbs destroyed pumping stations
> > >and cut the power lines.

> Some retired general or admiral said on the News Hour the other
> night, "We may have to decide to drop the bridges and turn out
> the [Belgrade] lights"

> Grey Satterfield

> gws wrote:

> > Velovich <velov...@aol.com.CanDo> wrote in message
> > news:19990331162339.15626.00000272@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> > > >Even infrastructure such as Road , Rail , bridges and power
> > > >have not been targeted. If you want to know what this can do
> > > >remeber Sarajevo which had no power or water for
> > > >MONTHS because the serbs destroyed pumping stations
> > > >and cut the power lines.

> > Some retired general or admiral said on the News Hour the other
> > night, "We may have to decide to drop the bridges and turn out
> > the [Belgrade] lights"

> > Grey Satterfield

> The US has traditionally demonstrated an unwillingness to "turn out the
> lights" in a massive civil sense, but one positive result of such a
> decision would be the limitation of Serb spamming to laptop battery
> life...

> ...and also substantial discomfort to a country which is no longer a
> subsistence or agrarian economy.  After the meat and milk begin to
> spoil, times get tough in Beograd.  Of course, we couldn't see CNN. but
> who gives a shit in the grand scheme of things?  I see nothing callous
> or brutal about power staions, water plants or even neater your local
> sewer facility as targets (nor would have GEN Sherman who comprehended
> that the purpose of warfare was not to "Make a Point").
> --

> TMOliver, el pelon sinverguenza
> From a small observatory overlooking McLennan Crossing

> - VESPER ADEST IUVENES CONSURGITE -
>                                             Catullus

>referred to Ge. William Walker's (OCSE
>in Kosovo chief) reports whre he mentiont human rights violations, clashes,
>skirmishes, etc, but no ethnic cleansing, genocide or other suchlike
>nasties.

gws wrote:

> Clinton has his weaknesses, God knows.  Nevertheless, he is a
> gifted politician and a brilliant fellow so I agree that it is a
> mistake to assume that everything he does is wrong.

> Grey Satterfield

TMOliver <swrc...@iamerica.net> wrote in message

> gws wrote:

> > Clinton has his weaknesses, God knows.  Nevertheless, he is a
> > gifted politician and a brilliant fellow so I agree that it
is a
> > mistake to assume that everything he does is wrong.

> > Grey Satterfield

> ....which forms both a source and a grim manifestation of the
problem we
> face.

> Having a leader whom we come to believe is not altogether (at
all, a
> little bit, every now and again) credible, our collective
capacity for
> disbelief increases, under the noted legal doctrine "puer lupo
evocati"
> (By Golly, it even sounds good!), the little boy who cried
wolf, and
> even when he's right, his task becomes enormously more
difficult, the
> selling of the truth to folks conditoned to hear something
other than
> the truth.

> Thus the dismal state to which the Presidency has descended.

John Lee <ja...@jalee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

> TMOliver <swrc...@iamerica.net> writes:

> > Having a leader whom we come to believe is not altogether (at
all, a
> > little bit, every now and again) credible, our collective
capacity for
> > disbelief increases, under the noted legal doctrine "puer
lupo evocati"
> > (By Golly, it even sounds good!), the little boy who cried
wolf, and
> > even when he's right, his task becomes enormously more
difficult, the
> > selling of the truth to folks conditoned to hear something
other than
> > the truth.

> > Thus the dismal state to which the Presidency has descended.

> Look, TMO, you're an extremely sound fellow - whenever I see
your
> handle on a post I expect to read something seriously sensible.
But
> can you understand that this is a big world you live in, and
most
> people out there don't give a toss about Clinton's
misdemeanours, real
> or imagined. Let's put aside for a moment Usenet fantasies
about
> Chinese pilots ferrying B-2s to Beijing - I think it's shite
and you
> can no doubt express your own opinion. The argument seems to be
that
> POTUS W J Clinton has told fibs (eek!) and has disported
himself with
> a succession of persons of the female-type gender. Oh dear, how
sad,
> never mind.

> So this means that your country should sit ashamed in the
world,
> knowing that however many peasant villages are put to the
sword, what
> really counts is where WJC dipped his wick? In the face of
those
> appalling crimes the ten-year bastardry of the Serbian
establishment
> is a mere bagatelle?

> I've spent most of my adult life serving a country that just
doesn't
> have the muscle to sort this situation out on its own (we might
have
> had in 1992, but that was in another country, and besides, the
wench
> is dead). I'm not going to pretend to speak for anyone else,
but the
> thing that really frightens me is that our strongest ally, the
only
> country with the power to really affect things at this stage,
may not
> have the balls to see this thing through, partly because of
this
> divisive "Clinton is evil" thing, and partly because of the
fear of
> taking casualties. Please tell me I'm wrong.

> --

> "If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in
> John doubts; but if he will be content to begin with
> doubts, he shall end in certainties."