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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: 75270_37...@csi.com (scott s.)
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Retired officers / civil service
I see in the new pay bill that the Senate passed last week,
that the law (5USC5532) that required retired offciers to relinquish 50% of their retired pay when in a US civil service position is repealed. I am surprised I haven't heard / seen any thing about this. Or am I missing something?? scott s. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "Prof. Vincent Brannigan" <v...@umail.umd.edu>
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Re: Retired officers / civil service
> It's worse than that. The bill will emerge from the house in considerably Tsk Tsk The conference version has to be passsed by both houses of > different form than the version the senate passed. Next, the two versions > of the bill will be considered by a conference committee, comprised of both > senators and congressmen. The conference committee will agree on a third > version of the bill. Then, and only then, will it go to the president for > his signature. Lord only knows what the final enactment will look like. congress. It does not go from the committee directly to the president. Vince É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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German Naval Power in WWII
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: h...@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (-Mayo,H.H.)
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Re: German Naval Power in WWII
In article <36C3038D.4...@umail.umd.edu>,
Prof. Vincent Brannigan <v...@umail.umd.edu> wrote: >hopeless. An aircraft carrier or two would not have made the slightest Geography augured against Germany for both a "high seas" fleet, and >difference. The Bismarks, Prinz Eugens and arguably even S& G were a >waste of steel. An argument coudl be made for a small fast long range >diesel cruiser. Long range air or sea scouts combined with masses of >U-boats and the Odd surface raider at least played to Britain's weakness >rather than its strength. >Vince a carrier capability. WWI should have driven that message home. Another message ignored was that, for Germany, smaller was better. Both U Boats and small raiders showed promise in the earlier war. Germany wasted resources on a titanic scale in the construction of it's heavy ships, resources that ( again in retrospect ) would have altered the course of the war had they been spent building a large E Boat fleet, and a 500 U boat navy. Both sunk far more ships at a fraction of the cost of the big surface fleet. Given the political climate of the pre-war era, such programs would have likely been all but ignored by Britain, and may have actually given the future allies a false sense of security, leading them to believe that Germany was not building anything they considered a major threat. Larry Mayo É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: eug...@dynagen.co.za (Eugene Griessel)
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Re: Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
foy...@unitel.co.kr (Sun-Ho Beck) wrote: The MTB's developed in post-war Britain, Bold, Gay, Dark, Brave, >Does anyone have/know webpages about the 1950's RN >"Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs? I've >searched the web with altavista, only to find just one >page on the scale model of "Brave" class, the last RN >MTBs. What impacts did these MTBs have on the >development of the 60-70's FACs in terms of >propulsion, hull forms and weapons/elecrtonics? Did >the USN develop and deploy their own successor to WW2 >PT boats in the 50's? Tenacity and Sabre classes, had surprisingly little impact outside of the Scandanavian countries. Gas turbines were not adopted as widely as diesels and hard-chine planing hulls were abandoned in favour of displacement hulls. The majority of FAC's built owe something to the German S boat hull of WW2 as developed through the Jaguar classes and the types 143 and 148. To me the epitome of beauty, grace and speed will always be the Braves Eugene L Griessel eug...@dynagen.co.za www.dynagen.co.za/eugene Thought for the day ....... It is better to be the object of a noisy demonstration than É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Eugene Griessel <eug...@dynagen.co.za>
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Re: Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
In article <MalC2.578$O5.10265767@WReNphoon1>,
foy...@unitel.co.kr (Sun-Ho Beck) wrote: > Does anyone have/know webpages about the 1950's RN The MTB's developed in post-war Britain, Bold, Gay, Dark, Brave, Tenacity > "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs? I've > searched the web with altavista, only to find just one > page on the scale model of "Brave" class, the last RN > MTBs. What impacts did these MTBs have on the > development of the 60-70's FACs in terms of > propulsion, hull forms and weapons/elecrtonics? Did > the USN develop and deploy their own successor to WW2 > PT boats in the 50's? and Sabre classes, seem to have had surprisingly little impact outside of the Scandanavian countries. Gas turbines were not adopted as widely as diesels and hard-chine planing hulls were abandoned in favour of displacement hulls. The majority of FAC's built owe something to the German S boat hull of WW2 as developed through the Jaguar classes and the types 143 and 148. Luerssen probably had more influence than any other single yard when it came to the FACs of the 70's and 80's. To me the epitome of beauty, grace and speed will always be the Braves - but I Eugene L Griessel eug...@dynagen.co.za www.dynagen.co.za/eugene -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: foy...@unitel.co.kr (Sun-Ho Beck)
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Re: Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
Displacement hulls seem to be stable gun platforms
compared to hard chine hulls, but are at a disadvantage in terms of speed. Isn't it strange that some of these post-WW2 RN MTBs ("Gay" and "Dark") with hard chine hulls (presumably poor gun platforms) were designed to carry a heavy gun such as 4.5 inch Mk.1? What was the largest calibre gun ever carried by MTB/MGB/FACs? Regards, *** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) *** É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: eug...@dynagen.co.za (Eugene Griessel)
Data: 1999/03/02
Assunto: Re: Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
foy...@unitel.co.kr (Sun-Ho Beck) wrote: Heaviest calibre - I would vote for the 4.5 inch. But they bore no >Displacement hulls seem to be stable gun platforms >compared to hard chine hulls, but are at a >disadvantage in terms of speed. Isn't it strange that >some of these post-WW2 RN MTBs ("Gay" and "Dark") with >hard chine hulls (presumably poor gun platforms) were >designed to carry a heavy gun such as 4.5 inch Mk.1? >What was the largest calibre gun ever carried by >MTB/MGB/FACs? resemblance to the standard 4.5 inch in service elsewhere in the RN. The thing had a barrel about 4 foot long! I have no info on this gun - bar some drawings of it. I am sure it must have had a greatly reduced charge and effectiveness too. Eugene L Griessel eug...@dynagen.co.za www.dynagen.co.za/eugene Thought for the day ....... It is better to be the object of a noisy demonstration than É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: John Gardner <vang...@worldnet.att.net>
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Re: Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
I know the USN had four MTBs for evaluation in 1953. These were each
from a different manufacturer. We had a crew member on the USS Mississippi get a ruptured ulcer off the coast of Virginia. One of these boats came out in the fog to pick him up off Cape Henry. This boat had an aluminum hull. When they gave it the gas it really left in a hurry. I don't think any more of these boats were ever procured. John É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: foy...@unitel.co.kr (Sun-Ho Beck)
Data: 1999/03/01
Assunto: Re: Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
Thanks for the info. AFAIK, the post-WW2 British MTB
technology also influenced the USN in the form of Napier Deltic diesel engine which powered PTF boats used in Vietnam. Regards, *** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) *** É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: "M.J.Powell" <m...@pickmere.demon.co.uk>
Data: 1999/03/02
Assunto: Re: Royal Navy "Gay", "Dark" and "Brave" classes of MTBs
In article <stRC2.288$H4.4677735@WReNphoon1>, Sun-Ho Beck
<foy...@unitel.co.kr> writes >Oh, thanks again. I didn't know the 4.5" Mk.1 was such 'E-boat' = Enemy boat. British term >a short-barrel weapon. BTW, why the German S-boats are >also called "E-boats"? and what is R-boat? 'S-boat' = Schnell boot'. German term 'R-boat' = ? Mike É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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