On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:08:28 -0700, Kathy Hannah <khan...@pyramid.net>
wrote:

Ian Burrell (iburr...@leland.Stanford.EDU) was seen to write:

Kristan Roberge <krobe...@magi.com> wrote in article
<60q4gd$k7...@news.istar.ca>...

These two ships (HMAS Manoora and HMAS Kanimbla) are being modified
into helicopter support ships, some extra helicopter landing space, hanger
space, lots of new superstructure, has the bull horns at the front removed,

one is getting a field hospital etc.  (I drive to work past them every day
- the
profiles are nothing like when they started!)  

While the cost effectiveness of such exensive modifications to old ships
can be debated, conversions like these two are probably a little easier
and provide more space for things like hangars and landing platforms than
a converted DDG.

--

Hey, Random, was the nasty _Dhubai Glory_ tied up on that pier when you
were there? Seeing that ship there really puts ASU-SWA into perspective.

-j

On 2 Oct 1997 17:22:23 GMT, jvidy...@astro.temple.edu (Jay A.

I'm heading back over in a couple of months.  I'll keep my eyes open
for the Dubai Glory.

Kristan Roberge (krobe...@magi.com) was seen to write:

To increase helo capacity to 4, you have to extend the hangar aft into
where the flight deck is now.  The flight deck gets pushed to where the
Sea Sparrow is now, or all the way aft to the stern.  This does a couple
things:

1) Removes the ships' only AAW weapon, Sea Sparrow.
2) Removes 1/2 the ships' NGFS capability.
3) Adds a significant amount of topweight, and unbalances the ship
 fore-and-aft by adding a big weight at the stern.
4) Costs a lot.
5) Moves the helo deck from an ideal (highly stable) 2/3 aft position
 to an unstable position at the extreme stern.

Ain't that a contradiction in terms?

On 1 Oct 1997, Maverick Bay wrote:

if I am not mistaken wasn't there a "stealth ship" under development?   IIRC,
 it looked like the -117 and was desgined by the same people to boot.  if not i
 would have to say sub-surface is better than surface and on surface (what i
 presume you are talking about) i would think the smaller ships would be a good
 choise , yes i am back to that PT boat thing again:)

BTW- is it true that while running on batts. a clean configered deasile  sub is
 quietter than a nuck. opperating and norm. power??

Is there any data that tells which ships (in current use, soon to be deployed,
or in a concept stage) are/will be the most "stealthy". Some that come to mind
are the French La Fayette class, the Swedish YS-2000, the British Sea Wraith, a
new German MEKO design...and probably others.