>>lmercer...@aol.com (LMercer590) fumbled with the keyboard and wrote:

>>>A movie was made in 1944, "The Fighting Sullivans".  Was this movie based
>>>on fact and real people or was it fictional?  Is their or was there a ship
>>>named the Sullivan named after these men? If you have nay information
>>>please E-mail me at LMercer...@aol.com

>>Yes, there were 5 Sullivan brothers who all went down on the same
>>ship.

>>The Sullivans, a Fletcher class DD was named after them. It is
>>currently a museum ship, IIRC, in Buffalo, NY.

>  I think one of the new Arliegh Burke class DDG's is named "The
>Sullivans".

>Tom

>>There were only about 35 or so survivors of the Hood from a crew of
>>about 1200.  

>3

> Since 155mm is similar in size to naval guns, does anyone have
> information on the effect of the 155mm round on tanks. There is
> much sentiment that the 155 will not penetrate heavily armored
> WWII vintage Russian armor. Icontend that the concussion alone
> of the detonation would be enough to destroy the crew. Does
> anyone in this group have information to offer?

>                                            Larry Mayo

> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:15:31 -0800, TMO/TX <swrc...@iamerica.net> wrote:

> %Code duello challenge issued via mail list withdrawn (and you don't need
> %a silver dish on your hall table in which my seconds would have
> %depositied their cards).

> Where would I find the correct format for such a thing?  I have a few I need to
> issue on some other newsgroups.

>> On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:15:31 -0800, TMO/TX <swrc...@iamerica.net> wrote:

>> %Code duello challenge issued via mail list withdrawn (and you don't need
>> %a silver dish on your hall table in which my seconds would have
>> %depositied their cards).

>> Where would I find the correct format for such a thing?  I have a few I need to
>> issue on some other newsgroups.

>First, politeness is important, even when calling the other guy a
>rheumy-eyed, clap-ridden, poxed
>offspring of a verminous, unbathed harridan with no fixed abode, but
>temporary residence in a
>mildewing one room crib on the Gut in Valletta.

>Second, observe the formalities....seconds, cards, gloves (gray, soft
>leather but not shiny), chice
>of weapons to the challenged party, dawn in a place unvisited by the
>Shore Patrol ...unused
>portions of tree shrouded cemeteries - good (convenient if one party
>aims very well)....top story
>multistory parking decks - bad (big ambulances don't fit, forcing
>seconds to haul wounded down
>deveral levels), none of this "wrists lashed together" or "dark room"
>sh*t.

>Unfortunately, most arguments occur with irrational folks who never know
>when they are wrong
>and live in a permanent state of being offended. Guys like that rarely
>own matched pairs of
>single shot pistols, but go deer hunting with assault rifles, and would
>shoot dove on the wire in a
>blink of an eye, neither of which gives much hope that they would wait
>for the count of ten (or
>three, or whatever).

>Standing sideways reduces target area by one half (especially if you
>suck in your gut, a natural
>reaction when picking up washers with your fundament, the common reflex
>for fighter pilots and
>duelists).

>Don't wear underwear (but if you must make sure its clean).  Fragments
>tend to be driven into
>wounds, increasing the chance of infection, and dirty or ratty skivvies
>reduces the attention
>provided by emergency room attendants.

>Avoid issuing challenges on ngs which include conspiracy as a part of
>their title or subject
>matter.  Your potential opponents, expecting strange skimmers full of
>small green people or
>large gray armored vehicles carrying federal agents, may choose to
>ignore the code, firing early
>and often.

>Bear in mind....
>With the sword (foil, epee or sabre), blood is spilled qickly (but
>usually without grievous harm).
>Pistols, on the other hand, are far less accurate than in the movies,
>are slow to reload after an
>unsuccessful exchange of fire, may prolong a duel for hours (until first
>blood), and provide a high
>risk of serious injury.

>Two good rules...
>If engaged with sabre (a mannera degli 'studenti tedesci), it is polite
>to aim for the head.

>On the other hand, when using pistols, to aim at the head is considered
>really impolite, vulgar,
>and offensive, indicative of some level of ill breeding.

>Also impolite is to call attention to an opponent's unzipped/unbuttoned
>flies after the count has
>started.

>And in the Italian tradition, remember, the sword is like a small bird,
>grasp it too gently and it flies
>away, too tightly and its life is crushed...

>For pistols, fire when exhaling, never when inhaling, during which the
>barrel inevitably rises.

>My first novel (as yet unpublished and unlikely to be) contains a
>chapter which features a duel of classic dimension and intensity, two
>young midshipmen on either end of the main t'gllant yard, engaged with
>boarding pikes, while the
>rest of the gunroom mess watches from the tops below.

>And last of all, forget not the words of Viscount Renfrew who fought and
>survived over 20 affairs
>of honour.....
>    "I with some deliberation aim at their cods, It gives them a moments
>hesitation and a bit of a tremble."