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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Brian Varine <vari...@ucs.orst.edu>
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: West Coast Norfolk
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, W.E. Nichols wrote: You may want to see if you could switch to an AF plane going to March or > Louis Davis <LDa...@worldnet.att.net> Banged on the keyboard and wrote: > +What is the west coast base that has about the same mission as the E. > Actually, I think your best bet would be Jacksonville. I think most of the any other base in So. Cal. Andrews AFB has LOTS of flights if you feel like driving a bit. Don't forget Langley. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: ocarl...@mnsinc.com
Data: 1996/04/02
Assunto: Re: West Coast Norfolk
In <4jkn6n$...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Louis Davis <LDa...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>What is the west coast base that has about the same mission as the E. Travis AFB, near Fairfield (60 miles NE of San Francisco) is probably >coast Norfolk, NAS. I am looking for a place for Space A flights for >retirees going west. >Capt. USAR Rtd. the key Space-A going west. O É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Cesare Vecchi <vec...@gulliver.unian.it>
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: USN Ship Names
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Tentative answer (corrections welcomed, ***: help needed): - AM 11 Condor and AM 12 Plover: builder Gas Engine & Power Co., Bird class, cancelled 4.12.18. - AM 42 Goshawk: builder Todd (New York), Bird cl., cancelled 4.12.18 - AM 49 Raven and AM 50 Shrike: builder Baltimore D.D., Bird cl., cancelled 1919. - AMc: all converted from commercial fishermen: 1-Pipit; 2-Magpie; 3-Plover; 4-***; 5-Kestrel (then IX-175); 6-Heath Hen; 7-Bunting (war loss); 8-Cockatoo; 9-Crossbill; 10-Longspur; 11-Sanderling; 12-Grouse; 13-Hornbill (war loss); 14-Condor; 15-Waxbill; 16-Chatterer; 17-Pintail; 18-Nightingale (I) (then YP); 19-Grosbeak; 20-Crow (war loss); 21-Kildeer (then IX-194); 22-Flamingo (then IX-180); 23-Blue Jay (then YDT); 24-Egret (then IX-181); 25-Canary (then YDT); 26-Humming Bird; 27-Frigate Bird; 28-Mockingbird; 29-Puffin; 30-Reedbird; 31-***; 32-Courser; 33-Firecrest; 34-Parrakeet; 35-Road Runner; 56-Kingbird (then IX-176); 57-Phoebe; 58-Rhea; 59-Ruff; 60-***; 111-Agile (then IX-203); 112-Affray; 149-Nightingale (II) (then IX-177). Existed also 203-Mendrick and 204-Minah converted 1944 from PCSs. - PG 23 Nantucket (2/18), ex Ranger (1876), ex Rockport (10/17), then IX-18 (7/21), merc. Bay State (1940), Emery Rice. - PG 24 Dolphin: ex despatch vessel, launched 12..4.84, then Mexican Plan de Guadalupe (1922). - PG 25 and PG 26: *** - PG 27 Marblehead: ex unprotected cruiser n. 11, Montgomery cl., launched 11.8.1892, sold 8/21. - PG 37 Callao, ex Spanish, 243 t., launched 6/1888, sold 9/23. - PG 41 Samar, ex Spanish, 243 t., launched 1888, sold 1/21. - PG 73-84: *** - PY 1 to PY 5: converted yachts, acquisitions of 1898: 1-Mayflower (then WPG 183); 2-Hawk (then IX-14); 3-Scorpion; 4-Vixen; 5-Sylph. - PY 6 to 9 and 11: acquisitions of WWI: 6-Nokomis; 7-Aramis; 8-Despatch; 9-Niagara; 11-Wenonah. - APA 181-186 no name reported. - AS 4 Alert (launched 1874, ex steam gunboat, sold 7/22) - AS 7 Rainbow (ex Norseking) - AS 8 Savannah (ex Saxonia) - AS 9 Canopus (ex Santa Leonora) - AR 2 *** - AR 17 and AR 18 to Great Britain (Lend/lease), respectively HMS Assistance and HMS Diligence (returned US Navy 1946). Sisters of AR 19-21. - ARL 25, 34: *** - AGP 19: *** - ARS 10, 18, 30, 31 and 37: *** - AT 1-18; 77-80: *** - AT, acquired 1898: 46-Iroquois; 47-Osceola; 48-Peoria; 49-Piscataqua; 50-Potomac; 51-Uncas. - AT 52: Navajo, Navy built, launched 1907. - AT, WWI acquisitions: 53-SP 467 (ex Delaware, then YT-111); 54-Conestoga; 55-Genesee; 56-Lykens; 57-Sea Rover; 58- Undaunted; 59-Challenge (then YT-126). - AT 61 Cahokia (5/36, ex USCG, ex Bayside) - AT 62 Tamaroa (5/36, ex USCG, ex Bartolme) - AT 63 Acushnet (5/36, ex USCG CG.18) - AO 7 Arethusa (ex Luciline): built 1893, acquisition of 1898, 3319 t., sold 7/27. - AO 8 Sara Thompson: built 1888, acquired 17.9.18, 2691 t., sold 8/34. - AO 10 Alameda: built 1919, acquired 17.10.19, 4410 t., sold 8/22; merc. Olean (1924); USN Sweep (IX 143) 1944-1946. - AO 89 Pasig (ex J.C. Donnell): built 1917, acquired 1/43, 9783 t., returned 9/43. - AO 90 Shikellamy (ex Daniel Pierce): built 1943, acquired 4/43, 4887 t., converted to AOG (AOG 47), returned 1/46. - "Suez Crisis" Tankers - T2-SE-A1 Type: T-AO 153 Cumberland (MC-1736);T-AO 154 Lynchburg (MC-1926); T-AO 155 Roanoke (MC-1747); T-AO 156 Bull Run (MC-354); T-AO 157 Paoli (MC-1770); T-AO 158 Abiqua (MC-548); T-AO 159 French Creek (MC-1777); T-AO 160 Logan's Fort (MC-2431); T-AO 161 Lone Jack (MC-1767); T-AO 162 Memphis (MC-1745); T-AO 163 Parkersburg (MC-1731); T-AO 164 Petrolite (MC-1723). All stricken 1957-1958. The MC numbers are Maritime Commission hull numbers. - AE 7: *** - AF acquired 1898: 2-Celtic; 3-Culgoa; 4-Glacier; 5-Pompey. - AF 6 Rappahannock, acquired 1917. - AKS 16-19: *** - AP 3 Hancock, 1879, ex US Army, acq. 1902, then IX 12. - AP 36, 44, 45, 68: *** - AP 48 and AP 49, C3-Si-A3 type, became respectively APA 89 Frederick Funston and APA 90 Jame's O'Hara. - AK , WWI acquisitions: 1-Houston; 2-Kittery; 3-Newport News; 4-Bath; 5-Gulfport; 6-Beaufort; 7-Pensacola; 8-Astoria; 9-Long Beach; 10-Quincy; - AK 11, 32-40, 45, 50, 52, 57-62, 81, 268: *** - AK 48 Pegasus (ex Lawrin), acquired 9.41, then IX 222 (5/45). - AGS 6-14, converted from PCs and YMSs: 6-Derickson; 7-Littlehales; 8-Dutton; 9-Armistead Rust; 10-John Blish; 11-Chauvenet; 12-Harknes; 13-James M. Gillis; 14-Simon Newcomb. - AGSc: *** - AGOR 2: *** - AH: 2-Solace (ex Creole, 1898, scrapped 1933); 3-Comfort (ex Havana, 1917, merc. Havana 1925); 4-Mercy (ex Saratoga, 1917, sold 3/39). - AG: 2-Lebanon (acq. 1898); 3-Nanshan (acq. 1898); 4-Saturn (acq. 1898); 5-General Alava; 6-7: ***; 8-Mahanna (acq. 29.9.20); 9-Columbia (ex Great Northern, acq. 3.8.21); 10-11 and 13-14: ***; 15-Ajax (ex Scindia, ex AC 14, built 1890); 22: ***; 25-Potomac (ex USCG); 26-Cuyahoga (then USCG); 34-Alcor (then AR 10); 37-Manomet (ex Lake Geneva, 1918); 51-65: ***; 67-Antaeus (ex AS 21, then AH 10 Rescue); 109-Zane (ex DMS 14); 125-Patoka (ex AO 9); AG 129-145: ***: - IX: 3-Briarcliff; 4-Cheyenne; 7-Commodore; 8-Cumberland; 10-Essex; 11-Gopher (ex Fern); 12-Hancock (ex AP 3); 18-Nantucket (ex PG 23); 19-Newport (ex PG 12); 26-Southery; 27-Sturgeon Bay; 31-Wolverine (ex Michigan); 32-Yantic; 34: ***; 38: ***; 41-America; 43-Freedom; 47-Vamarie; 48-Highland Light; 49-Spindrift; 50-Bowdoin; 51-Sea Otter I; 52-Cheng Ho; 54-Galaxy; 57-Araner; 58-Dwyn Wen; 59-Volador; 60-Seaward (I); 61-Geoanna; 62-Vileehi; 63-Zahma; 65-Blue Dolphin; 66-Migrant; 68-Seven Seas; 69-Puritan; 70-Gloria Dalton; 73-Zaca; 74-Metha Nelson; 75-John M. Howard; 76-Ramona; 77-Juniata; 78-Brave; 79-El Cano; 82-Luster; 83-Ashley; 84-Congaree; 85-Euhaw; 86-Pocotaligo; 88-Wimbee; 89-Romain; 90-Forbes; 91-Palomas; 92-Liston; 94-Ronaki; 95-Echo; 97-Martha's Vineyard; 100-Racer; 102-Majaba; 105-Panther; 106-Greyhound (ex Yale); 111-Armadillo; 112-Beagle; 113-Camel; 114-Caribou; 115-Elk; 116-Gazelle; 117-Gemsbok; 118-Giraffe; 119-Ibex; 120-Jaguar; 121-Kangaroo; 122-Leopard; 123-Mink; 124-Moose; 125-Panda; 126-Porcupine; 127-Raccoon; 129-Whippet; 131-Abarenda; 132-Andrew Doria; 133-Antona; 134-Arayat; 135-Arethusa; 136-Carondelet; 137-Celtic; 138-Malvern: 139-Octorara; 140-Quiros; 141-Manileno; 142-Signal (ex Standard Arrow); 143-Silver Cloud (ex AO 10 Alameda); 144-Clyde; 145-Villalobos; 148-North Star; 149-Trefoil; 150-Quartz; 151-Silica; 152-Carmita; 153-Asphalt; 154-Bauxite; 158-Limestone; 159-Feldspar; 160-Marl; 161-Barite; 162-Lignite; 163-Cinnabar; 164-Corundum; 171-Albatross; 172-Bluebird; 173-Etamin; 175-Kestrel (ex AMc 5); 176-Kingbird (ex AMc 56); 177-Nightingale (ex AMc 149); 178-Banshee; 179-Kenwood; 180-Flamingo (ex AMc 22); 181-Egret (ex AMc 24); 184-Clifton; 185-Stonewall; 186-Dawn; 187-Belusan; 188-Chotauk; 189-Marmora; 190-Nausett; 191-Vandalia; 192-Flambeau; 193-Meredosia; 194-Kildeer (ex AMc 21); 196-Spark; 197-Mariveles; 198-Cohassett; 199-Barcelo; 200-Maratanza; 201-Sterling; 203-Agile (ex AMc 111); 209-Seaward (II); 210-Sea Foam; 212: IX-212 (unnamed); 213-Serapis; 214-Yucca; 217-Tackle; 218-Guardoqui; 219-220: ***; 221-Eureka; 222-Pegasus (ex AK 48); 224-Aide De Camp; 229: ***; 230-Tapacola; 231-Stalwart; 232-Summit; 301-303: ***. Cesare Vecchi É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: tomm...@ix.netcom.com(ben debaan )
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: german spies during WWII
In <Mckellar-3103960952540...@slip-12-22.shore.net>
Mckel...@thealliance.com (McKellar) writes: no - it was written in invisible ink! how else do WWII german spies >In article <315D35C7.2...@jcs1.jcstate.edu>, Clas...@jcs1.jcstate.edu >" > " >Do I need my decoder ring to read this? >Mark communicate? É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Bob <ry...@gil.com.au>
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: RN Caps and Cap Talley- How to tie them
Thats correct....flatten it with an iron, on warm temp., though you can put a cloth
over the tally bow to stop burning/melting. (it is only a precaution) Bob É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: jshi...@nando.net (John Shinal)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: Ships Armor, Terminology Quest.
I have a book, US Cruisers, which (I guess) extensively discusses The term is : STS Does anyone recognise this abbreviation ? It refers to armor on upperworks mostly, although there is reference I guess it is "steel", but what is this acronym ? Super Tough Stuff ? While I'm here, can anyone define "abaft" for me ? I can't figure out Many TIAs, John S. Shinal É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
Encaminhar para: sci.space.policy
De: wba...@nmsu.edu (William Baird)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: Deep Space Bombardment Force
In article <4jkgir$...@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NKSW...@prodigy.com (Matthew Givens) writes: It's not really reasonable either, to be honest. If Nation X were to >My personal opinion is that, although it may sound reasonable, the >initial cost is prohibitive. build such a fleet, much money would be spent on countermeasures (they have to pass thru LEO at some point...throw up a bunch of ball barrings via an advanced SCUD... or watch for IR readings as they come in...remember the whole sha-bang about moon missiles?). Besides, if Nation X were to build such a fleet it would also be obvious as well! Could you imagine the number of launches to build it??? it'd have to be on orbit assembly (we lack HLLV's!) (which people could watch and destroy!). Invincible it is not; undetectable it is not. Additionally the cost of building it now would be too great (at $5,000/lb >Personally, I think it was a mistake for this country to back out of the Matt, the problem NOW is launch costs. You cut them and everything >"space race". As neat as the space shuttle is, it can't get us anywhere >except in orbit around the planet, so it's not very good. It's not even >capable of landing on another planet and taking off again! We should >have concentrated on more efficient ways of reaching the moon (or >wherever_), and focused on constructing orbital stations and lunar >colonies. follows. That's what the thrust of the DC-X, DC-XA, and X-33 programs are currently. Call and express your support to your congressman and senators. If you want someone to blame for the end of the space race, blame the public; they lost interest. Will > Matthew in Montgomery PS Follow-ups directed to a more appropriate group. Will Baird email: wba...@nmsu.edu http://essex.nmsu.edu/~scomputi/ É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, sci.military.aviation, alt.war, sci.space.tech
De: e...@Princeton.EDU (Ed Turner)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: Deep Space Bombardment Force
In article <4jm8mr$...@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu> w...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Christopher Weeks) writes: Both for sure! The think tanks came up with a lot of scifi type ideas > This is either an extremely interesting bit of history, or a >completely lunatic idea. Or both. (at taxpayer expense!) for the future of the space program in the 1950's and 60's. It is not too hard to make all sorts of "conceptual designs" sound plausible as the original post in this thread illustrated, but 40 years of history should by now have taught us a some what more modest vision (in light of practical technical and financial constraints). As an aside, it may have made sense at the time the DSBF was conceived, Did you ever hear the one about blasting mountains into space with a drive É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, sci.military.aviation, alt.war, sci.space.tech
De: Henry Spencer <he...@zoo.toronto.edu>
Data: 1996/04/02
Assunto: Re: Deep Space Bombardment Force
In article <4jeiit$...@news03.deltanet.com> Bruce Lewis <bc...@deltanet.com> writes: Disregarding the policy issues -- the lack of sophisticated opponents to >...If a submerged missile >boat could be accurately located by a blue- >green laser radar or an advanced synthetic >aperture radar mounted on a satellite, it >might be worthwhile to consider reviving >the concept of the Deep Space Bombardment >Force. justify major new nuclear forces, and the treaty violations involved -- there are several technical difficulties here. >Instead of deep water, however, the ships of the Unfortunately, space-surveillance technology has improved quite a bit >DSBF would rely on "deep space" to protect them >from detection by an enemy power... since the 1950s. As Bruce noted, radar is pretty hopeless because of its inverse-fourth-power range law (the inverse-square law gets you both coming and going). However, passive detection techniques such as optical and infrared telescopes suffer much less from this. The vessels Bruce is proposing would be large, and should be relatively easy to detect -- particularly in the thermal infrared -- even if attempts are made to render them stealthy. Remember, you don't *have* to do a complete sky search. It suffices to >A DSBF "boomer" Here we have another problem: use of nuclear-pulse engines anywhere in >might consist of an Orion-type nuclear pulse >vehicle with long-duration nuclear-electric "cruise" >engines added. The "boomer" would depart orbit >with a high velocity using the nuclear pulse system... Earth's vicinity will be devastating to current satellite populations, which are not hardened against the effects. Even limiting nuclear-pulse operations to very high orbit, outside the magnetosphere, is not a complete fix, because the X-rays from the bombs will kick up energetic electrons from (and within) any solid surface they hit. As a practical note, also, nuclear-pulse engines are extremely expensive >...but once the ion drive was switched The basic idea is sound -- using a low-thrust drive to make unpredictable >on and used to modify the ship's orbit unpredictably, >the ability of an enemy to predict its trajectory in >space would be close to nil... orbit modifications -- but note that large nuclear-powered ion drives are not going to be inconspicuous objects. The reactor itself is a copious source of gamma rays, and conversion of its heat to electric power is an inefficient process, producing large amounts of waste heat which have to be radiated away. The instruments on the Solar Max satellite -- which wasn't even designed These particular problems can be circumvented somewhat by operating the >A radar capable of searching the entire volume Surely the same criticism can be levelled at satellite systems capable of >of cislunar space to find such ships would have to >be located on the moon or on orbit=8Band would, of >course, be the first target for an attack in the >event of war. finding missile submarines. If space-based tracking systems are not a threat to the DSBF, they are not a threat to the missile subs either. Actually, I think the argument is fundamentally flawed, simultaneously in "Gosh, what a shame, all your DSBF ships were destroyed simultaneously In any case, this is all a bit silly. The same effect as DSBF can be had, (Of course, it's still a very expensive project that violates assorted Frankly, I would suspect any 1950s/1960s DSBF schemes of having been É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval, sci.military.aviation, alt.war, sci.space.tech
De: MichaelYeager <yeage...@ns2.scsn.net>
Data: 1996/04/02
Assunto: Re: Deep Space Bombardment Force
The cheapest solution, of course, is the one already in place overhead.
Ever wonder why 'dense pack' was of such interest to the ICBM crowd? Ever question why fractracide was counted on to protect ICBM silos? Ever wonder why the silos would *need* to count on fractracide to protect their contents when they should be empty? What ever became of 'Brilliant Eyes' anyway? É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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