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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: chc...@cs.umb.edu (Chong Y. Chow)
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Bikini Atoll
: el...@wpi.edu (Andrew Toppan) writes:
: >Interesting to note that none of the US BBs were sunk by the bombs. : Also Prinz Eugen sustained very little damage. German ships were Erh, maybe my taste is a little off but I thought the German cruisers : Paolo Pizzi É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: pwe...@aol.com (PWestY)
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Bikini Atoll
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: pi...@crl.com (Paolo Pizzi)
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Bikini Atoll
geo...@purplehaze.corp.sun.com (Geoff Miller) writes: You and I have totally different concepts of naval beauty :-) >pi...@crl.com (Paolo Pizzi) writes: >> German ships were like today's Mercedes cars: ugly but tough :-) >You really think the German ships of WWII were ugly? I've always >felt that they were uncommonly goodlooking for military vessels. >In fact, on a country-by-country basis, I think the only better- >looking naval ships are many of those built by the Soviets. I believe the Ganguts were the ugliest ships ever built... Paolo Pizzi É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: erudn...@pica.army.mil (Ed Rudnicki)
Data: 1995/10/02
Assunto: Re: Bikini Atoll
In article <44iuhi$...@crl9.crl.com> pi...@crl.com (Paolo Pizzi) writes: Hey! I like RODNOL and NELSOL! Oh, never mind.... :) >erudn...@pica.army.mil (Ed Rudnicki) writes: >>PRINZ EUGEN ugly?? Sheesh! >>I somehow ended up with a picture book on the CRossroads tests, >Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I guess someone can like even >IMHO as a general rule German ships=boxy, Japanese ships=uncommon/original To take your "car" analogy and apply it to all three of the Axis navies.... German: "Efficient-looking". Neither ugly nor particularly stylish. Italian: Like their sports cars, ships are sleek and fast, but Japanese: Often weird-looking, yet they worked. >But I understand why an American journalist couldn't appreciated The author was actually a naval officer, and I suspect that >originality :-))) lingering animosity toward the Japanese colored his view a bit. >Joking apart it's pretty obvious that a cruiser is sleeker than a I really should stay out of this, as I have a definite fondness for >battleship, especially an old one... >However albeit a battleship the Roma was the sleekest ship ever :-) the old French wing turret predreadnoughts (JAUREGUIBERRY, BOUVET, etc.) and their aesthetic derivatives like USS BROOKLYN (Armored Cruiser No. 3, not some pale post-Treaty imitation :). Ed Rudnicki É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: ken...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Ken Young")
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Constitution being refloated 26 Sept
> I can't say, but I say that black power is much more dangerous than I have to agree with that witness the precautions taken in powder mills > smokeless powder and more corrosive. and storage. Any ship or fort that was intended to use black powder had a lamp passage as it was strictly forbidden to take lamps into the magazine. Any one entering a magazine had to wear felt overshoes to cut down the risk of sparks. Also for the same reason all the scales for weighing charges were made of brass. One last problem is that any gun firing black powder had to be washed out to remove the residue before the next charge could be loaded Ken Young É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: pa...@teleport.com (paul d carrier)
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Theoretical Navies
What i have noticed is that many of the suggestions have included ships
that arn't yet available, also many of the theorietical navies have exceded the 30 ship limit. with my choices i have tried to stick to ships recently decommissioned and should be in good repair. a) 1 Iwo Jima class LPH (now decommissioned) b) 2 Charles F. Adams Class DDG (now decommissioned) c) 6 FFG-7 d) 4 SS e) 3 large FAC, as flotilla leaders f) 9 FAC, armed w/ Harpoons g) 5 mine hunters/sweeps, Naval Air: h) 1 VP sqn. w/ 6 P-3c or Atlantic II or Nimrod i) 1 Attack Helo sqn w/ 6 AH-1 j) 2 ASW helo sqn. w/ 12 (i like the) SH-60 just my theory :) paul d. carrier pa...@teleport.com É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: el...@wpi.edu (Andrew Toppan)
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Theoretical Navies
paul d carrier (pa...@teleport.com) reshaped the electrons to say:
: with my choices i have tried to stick to ships recently decommissioned and The problem is that the USN likes to demilitarize ships when striking : a) 1 Iwo Jima class LPH (now decommissioned) Of the decommissioned ships, 3 have been demilitarized and are : b) 2 Charles F. Adams Class DDG (now decommissioned) All stripped, most sold for scrap. None serviceable. : OR 2 Kidd Class DDG (if you can pry them from the USN) better choice ! I somehow doubt the Navy would give these up. -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: mjmart...@igs.net (Jay Martino)
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Canadian Submarines?
whal...@capitalnet.com.ca (Wayne Allen) wrote: The deal may still go through, but the gov't has said we can't afford >amiin...@aol.com (AMI Inter) wrote: >*What is the Canadaian Government doing about the UK Upholder Class Boats. them at this time, so we lose our right of first refusal. >*It seems the Canadian Navy negotiated a terrific deal with the UK and the It was a terrific deal, but it still involved a large outlay, so it >*Canadian Government is making them look like fools. Is this internal >*politics between the Canadian Navy and the Parliament? became a small political football. Since the Navy got it's way with the Frigates it became difficult for them to get any other new equipment (like helos). Sometimes the Navy is it's own worst enemy (look at how the EH-101 was handled). > Last we heard the negotiations are dead, never got beyond that stage. Why stupid? Subs are a naval capability that we shouldn't lose. I feel >DND is now dropping the subs (stupid idea anyway) and concentrating on >helicopters and APCs. >-- they're a lower priority than APCs and helos right now, but the old "O" boats will have to be replaced sometime soon. Jay mjmart...@igs.net Ottawa,Ontario É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: jgarl...@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Data: 1995/10/01
Assunto: Re: Canadian Submarines?
In article <44ihs7$...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, sd...@ix.netcom.com (Scott D. Orr ) writes:
^^^^^^^^^ USA cit living in Canada 15 yrs allowed??? Well yes, it is more complicated. The present government got in on a It's a little hard now to go to out and buy necessary hardware as it makes Lastly, the submarine force is in the news now in a rather negative light: Hope this helps... John Garland BTW are there skippers like this in the USN??? :-) I'm just an ex-USAF É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: mccle...@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Alexander E McClearn)
Data: 1995/10/02
Assunto: Re: Canadian Submarines?
AMI Inter (amiin...@aol.com) wrote: No, it's just the government being fools. Half of them really don't know > What is the Canadaian Government doing about the UK Upholder Class Boats. > It seems the Canadian Navy negotiated a terrific deal with the UK and the > Canadian Government is making them look like fools. Is this internal > politics between the Canadian Navy and the Parliament? what is going on outside their own constituencies and think we don't need them. The defence minister says things are still on the rails, and the Brits (thank god) still seem to want to sell them to us. So hopefully, the Government will get off their lazy butts and actually _do_ something. In the end, it is just the Liberals trying to keep the general populace happy, without caring about the poor sods who actually have to use the subs. Just my $0.02. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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