USS Cabot in New Orleans
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: adoo...@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu
Data: 1995/06/01
Assunto: USS Cabot in New Orleans
I understand that efforts to preserve the Independence class CVL Thanks, Butch É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: j...@mojave.ati.com (Joe Talbot)
Data: 1995/06/05
Assunto: Re: USS Cabot in New Orleans
Sorry to hear about that. The navy times Oct 24 of last year had an
article about the cabot and its situation. You might want to check with American Legion Post 377 in Kenner, La as I was in New Orleans in January for a navy school and think I may have seen -- Slow mail: P.O. box 1750, Helendale Cal 92342 (almost Victorville) É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Submarine Officers
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Derek Lyons <e...@delphi.com>
Data: 1995/06/01
Assunto: Re: Submarine Officers
Steve Bartman <sbart...@rbdc.rbdc.com> writes: Huh? What secret school did officers on your boats attend? >Officers are trained to ask questions. They aren't >supposed to know what you know, just as you don't >know what they do about overall tactics. Also, can É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: misc...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Allan McInnes)
Data: 1995/06/01
Assunto: Re: Submarine Officers
In article <3q5kkl$...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, sd...@ix.netcom.com (Scott Orr) writes: Nice try, but leadership is somewhat different from clinical Psych. >>good does a Music major or a Psycology major do you in the Navy?? > From the standpoint of paper qualifications, nothing. From the stand- This doesn't explain how Music majors fit in either. > A pysch major also usually knows more about critical Why? What could possibly lead a Psych Major to know more than an Engineer about > thinking, critical thinking? If engineers aren't critical about their designs, those designs will be trash. By your argument about tactical thinking, all Officers should be Software Engineers, since they have the most experience at breaking problems down into manageable units, and assigning tasks that will accomplish the job. > making him a better tactician, and has done more writing, Guess you've never done an Engineering course then. I only wish I had as few > making his reports more readable and career-enhancing. papers to write as a Psych major. Large amounts of my assessment (I'm a proto Electronic Engineer) are written reports, and there is a _big_ emphasis on clear, concise writing, and readable style. -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Derek Lyons <e...@delphi.com>
Data: 1995/06/01
Assunto: Re: Submarine Officers
Steve Bartman <sbart...@rbdc.rbdc.com> writes: Non Problem. Assign SeaBee enlisteds who have become officers to Public Works, >job (look in the manual, it says it is <g>) The enlisted member I spoke >of, say a LAMPS ASW tech, has a lot of fine training that won't do the >Navy a bit of good when he becomes the Public Works Officer on Guam (for >example.) See the difference? then the LAMPS tech can go to a weps berth on a Burke. >In that case I applaud you. I have seen (and any current or former Mainly because of the needs of Naval Politics. (Remembering an 4.0 eval I had >officers here will attest) CPOs brought near a mental breakdown by the >requirement to write enlisted evaluations. And reports and evals are to write. Because despite the fact the guy was a dirtbag, he was going to college and volunteering 20+ hours a week, (mostly on Navy time), while I did most of his job.) É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: Derek Lyons <e...@delphi.com>
Data: 1995/06/01
Assunto: Re: Submarine Officers
Steve Bartman <sbart...@rbdc.rbdc.com> writes: Problem wasn't letting them know what they needed. (Never had a problem with >Finally, if you were a qualified sup. and a JO >wanted to know something about the FCS, why not tell that! An informed officer is a better officer) The problem came when they assumed they knew more about the FCS because they had been to the OFFICER school. FWIW in the FBM system, the Enlisted usually knew more about tactics than the É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: sd...@ix.netcom.com (Scott Orr)
Data: 1995/06/02
Assunto: Re: Submarine Officers
In <3pq6ka$...@rbdc.rbdc.com> sbart...@rbdc.rbdc.com (Steve Bartman)
writes: >I think you're over-emphasizing the pre-division officer schooling. concentrates on only one aspect of a ship is a waste of time and money. And when you start to select people based on how well they'll do in Scott Orr É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: sbart...@rbdc.rbdc.com (Steve Bartman)
Data: 1995/06/05
Assunto: Re: Submarine Officers
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.950530120100.406A-100...@hudson.ECE.ORST.EDU>,
var...@ece.orst.edu says... :> :>> CPAs. Plumbers. Architects. My ex-secretary at Nabisco (two years out :>> from a BA in English. Moved her into a marketing coordinator's job at :>> $34,500 plus med/dental/matching 401k/pension/ etc and so forth.) You :>> should look harder. :> :>A secretary?? Where the hell are you? California? A degree around here :>(Oregon) will get you around $25K unless you have a science degree. She WAS a secretary.She got a degree from Wake Forrest (two years after :>> >> Also, in that first two-year period (all enlisted), what does our :fine :>> >> young sailor do? Goes to school, learns a rate. Then, after we've :>> spent :>> >> six figures making him/her a sonarman, or nuke electrician, we :chuck :>> the :>> >> money and the training and start over making him/her a baby :officer. :>> > :>> >Well, haven't we paid for an officer to go to four years of school? :>> Thats :>> >quite a bit. The enlisted guy's training isn't exactly wasted either. :>> >He's still in the Navy and he still has that knowledge. Add to that :he :>> is :>> >more likely to stay in the Navy for 20. :>> :>> Sometimes you've paid for the officer's four years, sometimes you :>> haven't. My point is, that college degree is directly applicable to :the :>> job (look in the manual, it says it is <g>) The enlisted member I :spoke :>> of, say a LAMPS ASW tech, has a lot of fine training that won't do the ;>> Navy a bit of good when he becomes the Public Works Officer on Guam ;(for ;>> example.) See the difference? ;>> ;> ;>Who's to say the ex-enlisted can't do a good job. A degree in psychology ;>is going to help?? Plus an Ensign is not going to be assigned PW ;Officer. Okay, Assistant PW Officer. I spent six glorious weeks on Guam and have >> In that case I applaud you. I have seen (and any current or former >Many J.O's with degrees have melt downs too. Try explaining the Supply Every curriculum teaches SOME writing. I thought the Supply System was easy (course, I was a Supply Officer <g>) family, and joining without looking at the others, that later experience showed me that the Army, AF, and Marines OCCASSIONALLY do something better than the Nav. If their programs are better, go that way. Good luck. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Where is Battleships?
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: kd...@webe.hooked.net (Ken Cochrane)
Data: 1995/06/01
Assunto: Re: Where is Battleships?
Rickovers book is certainly interesting and can be had from the US
Government Printing Office. As far as bag guns are concerned, look at the appendix of the book Command at Sea by the USNI press. There is quite a chapter about safety with bag guns in which the author outlines the history of accidents prior to WWII -- ken cochrane É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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BATTLESHIPS OBSOLETEAND CARRIERS
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Grupos de notícias: sci.military.naval
De: bho...@fugu.uucp (Bill Horne)
Data: 1995/06/01
Assunto: Re: BATTLESHIPS OBSOLETEAND CARRIERS
In article <3qallj$...@crl4.crl.com>, Dick Wilmot <dwil...@crl.com> wrote: I spent a few years in the U.S. Navy; some of them on carriers. >dorf...@netcom.com (Merlin Dorfman) writes: >> Does this say the postwar carriers abandoned the armored >Not positive. I was on Ranger for a few weeks as a Middie. I believe that all the carriers from Forrestal on had armoured flight decks. I think the thickness was four inches. Although I never personally saw one, I was told that later carriers were built without expansion joints in the flight deck. If this is true, then I would interpret this to mean that the flight deck was a structural component of the ship, rather than a superstructure as in earlier carriers. Check out some pictures of WWII carriers where it is easy to see that the flight deck is a superstructure on top of the ship. One of the reasons for using wood flight decking was to avoid the bad effects of placing a lot of weight up high. I was in the air wing on Oriskany in 1970. Normally, no wood I served aboard Midway as ship's company. My stateroom was just Bill Horne -- É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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