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The last Kodachrome lab in the world

david_powell3...@msn.com (David E. Powell) — Sat, 28 nov 2009 01:36:46 UT

There is one still running but it will close at the end of 2010. If
you have any film to get developed now is the time.
[link]

Russian navy to implode

henry.c...@gmail.com (hcobb) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 22:51:50 UT

Soon they won't have enough ships to track down a stray freighter.
Will this only encourage the pirates of the Baltic?
[link]
The Russian Navy's combat capabilities could seriously decrease by
2015 due to a large-scale decommissioning of ocean-going warships, a

Pigeons still capable of teamwork!

david_powell3...@msn.com (David E. Powell) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 21:14:34 UT

Homing pigeons for many years were key to strategies.
Well, new radios and the like are out these days, but that hasn't
stopped at least one pigeon from finding a way to help people out in a
more friendly activity.
[link]
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Retired admiral says Russia losing its navy

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 21:14:11 UT

Retired admiral says Russia losing its navy
[link]
{EXCERPT} , By Vladimir Isachenkov - The Associated Press Posted : Friday Nov 27, 2009 9:09:24 EST
MOSCOW — Russia's once-mighty navy faces further dramatic decline after 2015, when most Soviet-built ships will have to be mothballed, a retired admiral was quoted as saying Friday.

Royal Navy chief says his sailors not "cowards"

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 21:14:11 UT

Royal Navy chief says his sailors not "cowards"
[link]
{EXCERPT} Reuters UK LONDON (Reuters) - The Royal Navy chief hit back on Friday at claims his sailors were "cowards" for failing to intervene after a British couple were...
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3 US Navy seals Charged with Assault

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 21:02:32 UT

3 US Navy seals Charged with Assault
[link]
{EXCERPT} Examiner.com... and turned over to Iraqi law enforcement or military police, to whom the "victim" made the allegations of abuse, and was then returned to US custody....

Tales at Gosport museum chart one reindeer's voyage

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 21:02:32 UT

Tales at Gosport museum chart one reindeer's voyage
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{EXCERPT} Portsmouth News, Matt Jackson A reindeer which became a wartime mascot for a navy submarine will be remembered at a pre-Christmas event. 'Pollyanna' joined HMS Trident in...

OT Tiger Woods seriously injured in car accident

jacklinthi...@earthlink.net (Jack Linthicum) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 20:05:07 UT

somehow it took 11 hours to get out
November 27, 2009
Tiger Woods Injured in Car Accident
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 2:48 p.m. ET
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Authorities say Tiger Woods has been seriously
injured in a car wreck in Florida.
The Florida Highway Patrol says the PGA star hit a fire hydrant and a

IVAW - Garrett William Bates

d...@coldine.edu (Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 11:25:20 UT

Iraq Veterans Against the War
[link]
Garrett William Bates
Branch: United States Army (USA)
Rank: SPC
Home: Nevada
[link]

National Geographic TV: Ballard in the Dardannelles

david_powell3...@msn.com (David E. Powell) — Fri, 27 nov 2009 04:42:59 UT

Worth a watch! Inspecting the naval history and artifacts of World War
I in the Dardanelles at Gallipoli.

It's halftime, Dallas Oakland game...how about them...

d...@coldine.edu (Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 23:05:50 UT

...Dallas cheerleaders!
;-)

IVAW - Chantelle W. Bateman

d...@coldine.edu (Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 23:01:59 UT

Iraq Veterans Against the War
[link]
Chantelle W. Bateman
Branch: Marine Corps Reserve (USMCR)
Rank: Cpl
Home: Maryland
I have always been "militant" so it's sort of funny that I joined the
military...and of all things the Marine Corps.
[link]

Issue Regulations: Legion Of Merit

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 19:30:15 UT

Issue Regulations: Legion Of Merit
[link]
The Legion of Merit is awarded to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a friendly foreign nation who has distinguished himself or herself by exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding services and

To all murderous American imperialist fascist pigs

alanloth...@mac.com (Alan Lothian) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 17:51:57 UT

A very happy Thanksgiving to you, each and every one. And may you enjoy
many more.

IS SINGH KING?

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 11:18:45 UT

GREG MATTHEWS-007
Prime Minister Singh of India came to Washington, was feted as
expected and has left after the usual bland joint communiqué was
issued. Indian spin masters and the paid hacks in the US think tanks
and media is now busy turning a non-event into an event but there are
limits to which you can go with a damp squib. The US media has been

America Between Morality and Imperialism in Afghanistan

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 10:44:09 UT

by Muqtedar Khan
On November 5th, I had the privilege of testifying to the House Armed
Services Sub-Committee on Oversight and Investigations. These hearings
are part of the lengthy ongoing deliberations in Washington D.C.
searching for a new direction in Afghanistan. The Hearing was chaired
by Chairman Dr. Vic Snyder (D-Ark) and Ranking Member Rob Whitman (R-

Army capable of fighting terror war, says COAS

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 10:31:25 UT

The News International
PESHAWAR: Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani
has said the nation is fighting the war against terrorism like a solid
rock and every citizen has matchless spirit of making his contribution
in efforts to curb the menace faced by the country.
He expressed these views while addressing the convocation of the

Pak Moving her Forces from Western to Eastern Border?

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 10:14:31 UT

Zaheerul Hassan
Reliable sources stated that Pakistani authorities have decided to
move her forces from Western to Eastern border. The move of forces
would start soon. The decision has been taken after receiving the
threat from Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor to strike Pakistan
on November 22, 2009. Indian Chief warned that a limited war under a

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Issue Regulations: Distinguished Flying Cross

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 07:02:23 UT

Issue Regulations: Distinguished Flying Cross
[link]
The Distinguished Flying Cross is authorized to military members who, while serving in any capacity with the Armed Forces, distinguish themselves by heroism or outstanding achievement while participating in aerial flight. To be awarded for

I Served... RD1 Jerald D Earney, U.S. Navy

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 07:02:23 UT

I Served... RD1 Jerald D Earney, U.S. Navy
Jerald''s Authorizations and Acknowledgements:
Cold War Medal
Enlisted Promotion
Expeditionary Medal
Good Conduct Medal
Honorable Service Lapel Pin
Korea Defense Service (Post War) Medal
Honorable Discharge
National Defense Medal
Ocean Crossing Acknowledgement

Implications - Indian PM Visit to US

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 06:32:06 UT

zamee...@gmail.com
Indian intelligence agencies launched a comprehensive media and
psychological warfare against Pakistan prior to their Prime Minister
Visit to USA. In this connection, New Delhi has raised numbers of
issues to malign China, Pakistan, and its intelligence Agencies in her
domestic communal conflicts. Indian started pretending them as a great

Forever war of the wind

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 06:18:26 UT

MAX CLELAND
Every day I was in Vietnam, I thought about home. And, every day I
have been home, I have thought about Vietnam. So said one of the
millions of soldiers who fought there as I did. Change the name of the
battlefield and it could have been said by one of the American
servicemen coming home from Iraq or Afghanistan today.

Manmohan Singh’s sojourn to USA

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 05:36:21 UT

By Asif Haroon Raja
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be on a visit to USA from 23
November onwards to hold wide ranging talks of mutual interest. The
visit assumes significance since it is the first visit of any head of
state to USA on the request of Obama Administration. The latter's
endeavor would be to give a message to the world in general and China

26/11: Questions That Need to be Posed & Answered

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 05:22:24 UT

By B. Raman
The 26/11 terrorist attacks in Mumbai left many important questions
unanswered, if not unposed.
What kind of intelligence was available----from the Indian as well as
foreign agencies?
How and by whom were the reports analysed, assessed and disseminated?
Were the gaps in the available intelligence identified and was action

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leonardo_b...@yahoo.com (Leonardo Been) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 00:56:24 UT

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'
Independent, Objective Definition of Evil
10 August 2009
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Sub League Honors Sailor

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 00:08:23 UT

Sub League Honors Sailor
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{EXCERPT} The Resident Logistics Specialist First Class Brett Adams, assigned to Naval Submarine Support Center (NSSC) New London, received the Charles A. Lockwood Award for...
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SUBMARINES: The Last Kilo Limps Home

themilitaryto...@pacbell.net (Otis Willie PIO The American War Library) — Thu, 26 nov 2009 00:08:23 UT

SUBMARINES: The Last Kilo Limps Home
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{EXCERPT} Strategy Page November 25, 2009: The Russian Black Sea Fleet suffered a major blow when its only operational submarine, a 19 year old Kilo class boat, broke down at sea...
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"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhD." -- VERIFIED HOMOSEXUAL TROLL

bi...@semper-gumby.org (Bibon) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 21:11:21 UT

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
There is no Coldine Edu, there is no Vincent Quin PhD. What there is is
a disgruntled ass hole who got caught by the DADT regulation and got
kicked out of the Army before he had served 8 months. (states side) He
now does part time canvassing for homosexual activist groups in Des

Revenge of the Drones An Analysis of Drone Strikes in Pakistan

yard22...@yahoo.com (Mike) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 14:33:24 UT

[link]
Revenge of the Drones
An Analysis of Drone Strikes in Pakistan
By Peter Bergen, Katherine Tiedemann, New America Foundation
October 19, 2009
As a result of the unprecedented 41 drone strikes into Pakistan
authorized by the Obama administration, aimed at Taliban and al Qaeda

Reid Furious about Insurance Companies interfering with Govt Health Policy

morph...@yahoo.com (Mort Zuckerman) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 12:56:35 UT

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d...@coldine.edu (Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 12:36:29 UT

[note: Despite the whining of alt.war.vietnam's Crybaby Vets who
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Probe reveals lead-up to Iraq war

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 11:09:18 UT

by Alice Ritchie Alice Ritchie
LONDON (AFP) - The first full-scale inquiry into Britain's role in the
Iraq war opened Tuesday with testimony suggesting Washington was
gearing up for possible conflict two years before Tony Blair led
London to war.
A protestor wearing a Tony Blair mask covers his hands with fake blood

Pregnant woman thrashed, paraded naked in Uttar Pradesh

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 10:37:35 UT

IANS
LUCKNOW: A group of locals thrashed a pregnant woman and paraded her
naked through a village in Uttar Pradesh after she objected to
encroachment on her land, police said on Monday.
The incident took place Sunday evening at Karnawala village in Bijnor
district, about 400 km from Lucknow.
Of the four people who were primarily behind the incident, two have

Indian brinkmanship

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 10:17:11 UT

The Nation
INDIA'S military leadership has once again raised the issue of Limited
War being a viable option within the overarching nuclear environment.
This is part of a renewed belligerency on the part of the Indians,
being orchestrated both at the diplomatic-political level and as well
as the military. In fact the new pronouncements by the Indian Army

2/3rds of Us Are US War Machine Beneficiaries (Raimondo thinkin up a new AntiWar rally)

morph...@yahoo.com (Mort Zuckerman) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 09:39:31 UT

Vajpayee, Advani pseudo-moderates, Liberhan says in Babri report

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 06:50:02 UT

The Times of India
NEW DELHI: The top BJP leadership including Atal Bihari Vajpayee, L K
Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi have been severely indicted and called
"pseudo-moderates" by a Commission that probed the demolition of Babri
Masjid 17 years ago.
The Justice M S Liberhan Commission of Inquiry also attacked former

Germany attacks Israel settlement plan before visit

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 06:32:44 UT

BERLIN, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Germany on Monday criticised Israeli plans
to expand settlements in the occupied West Bank, in unusually explicit
terms a week before the two countries' leaders meet in Berlin.
The comments, made by Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, coincide
with German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle's first trip to Israel

America Between Morality and Imperialism

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 06:21:12 UT

Muqtedar Khan
On November 5th, I had the privilege of testifying to the House Armed
Services Sub-Committee on Oversight and Investigations. These hearings
are part of the lengthy ongoing deliberations in Washington D.C.
searching for a new direction in Afghanistan. The Hearing was chaired
by Chairman Dr. Vic Snyder (D-Ark) and Ranking Member Rob Whitman (R-

Saudi Arabia goes to war

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 06:06:45 UT

By attacking the Houthi rebels of Yemen, Riyadh is ill-advisedly
turning up the heat on the region's cold war
Mai Yamani
A crucially important conflict, woefully under-reported in the west,
has now come to a head in the Middle East. In response to an ongoing
fight that could spill out beyond the Arabian peninsula, Saudi Arabia

When data squared is negative, the data is.................

dboh...@mindspring.com (Frogwatch) — Wed, 25 nov 2009 05:31:11 UT

In one of the e-mails from the hacked list from the University of East
Anglia on the subject of Climate Change and global warming, a
programmer complains that the data is so bad that for some reason the
sum of the data squared keeps coming out negative. This means the
data must be................ (try to remember your middle school math

Navy SEALs face charges

jya...@abuse.gov (Jim Yanik) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 22:00:28 UT

Navy SEALs face charges for capturing terrorist.
[link]

OT: Apologies

alan.loth...@googlemail.com (Alan Lothian) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 19:13:05 UT

If I haven't responded to, or 'maintained' as the usage used to be,
postingsit's because my net connections are seriously foutues, as we
say in France. Your magic broadband box is now activé, they announce.
But since they haven't sent me the fucking magic box, what they have
actually done is grabbed by landline telephone; thus re,omoving both

The Wrong Word

jacklinthi...@earthlink.net (Jack Linthicum) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 19:05:42 UT

The Wrong Word
Joe Klein
Over at the Commentary blog, Max Boot notes
([link])
that even the gung-ho U.S. special forces seem "a bit worn down and
pessimistic" in recent conversations he's had with them about the
situation in Afghanistan. I've had similar conversations with rank-and-

IVAW - Benjamin Bass

d...@coldine.edu (Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 15:03:38 UT

Iraq Veterans Against the War
[link]
Benjamin Bass
Branch: Army National Guard of the United States (ARNG)
Rank: SGT
Home: Indiana
Served in Squad Leader position for Infantry squad in Iraq
throughout 2003 and 2004 in An Nasiriyah and Baghdad. ETS: 27,
July 2007
[link]

photo of china's future 5th gen fighter aircraft - apparegiMe@gMail.coM

appareg...@gmail.com (Timur) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 13:22:02 UT

[link]

Obama plans to send 34,000 more troops to Afghanistan

jacklinthi...@earthlink.net (Jack Linthicum) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 12:46:05 UT

Ordinarily this would be just another leak but McClatchy seems to have
pretty good ties into White House thinking lately.
Posted on Mon, Nov. 23, 2009
Obama plans to send 34,000 more troops to Afghanistan
Jonathan S. Landay, John Walcott and Nancy A. Youssef | McClatchy
Newspapers
last updated: November 23, 2009 11:32:55 PM

Sanjay Gupta's Book, Death, and Immortality

morph...@yahoo.com (Mort Zuckerman) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 11:40:40 UT

Sunken Canadian stern-wheeler is an underwater time capsule

jacklinthi...@earthlink.net (Jack Linthicum) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 11:17:50 UT

Pic and a map at the citation. Mystery death of stern wheeler
disassembled and carted across the mountains to the Yukon finally
found. On Lake LaBerge, of Dan Magee fame.
[link]
latimes.com
Sunken Canadian stern-wheeler is an underwater time capsule
The A.J. Goddard carried miners in the Klondike Gold Rush, then sank

Indian Rumblings

pakistan...@gmail.com (PakistanPal) — Tue, 24 nov 2009 10:40:06 UT

AHSAN WAHEED
There were three bomb blasts in India's troubled Maoist dominated
North East as an operation by India security forces got underway. It
is inevitable that the scale of violence will go up because a forty
year old simmering insurgency is not likely to go away-not when the
people support the insurgents and local police and politicians are