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Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-26T07:33:55Z

How long did SR71 remain at above supersonic speeds in dense atmosphere
? How long does the Shuttle spend in simular speed/atmosphere density ?
Is the ET foam really formulated to widthstand temperatures so hot that
you would expect any foam to burn/melt ?
Also, consider that the ET is filled with liquid O2 and H2. Their strong

Re: photo of china's future 5th gen fighter aircraft - apparegiMe@gMail.coM

2009-11-26T07:20:31Z

and therein lies the problem
the Arabs have no intention of ever making peace as long as Israel exists.
Jordan held the West Bank and Egypt had Gaza for 19 years and never created
a Palestinian homeland.
if Jordan hadn't attacked like a jackal in 1967 they'd still own the West
Bank.
somehow their claims these days ring hollow.

Issue Regulations: Distinguished Flying Cross

2009-11-26T07:02:23Z

Issue Regulations: Distinguished Flying Cross
[link]
The Distinguished Flying Cross is authorized to military members who, while serving in any capacity with the Armed Forces, distinguish themselves by heroism or outstanding achievement while participating in aerial flight. To be awarded for

I Served... RD1 Jerald D Earney, U.S. Navy

2009-11-26T07:02:23Z

I Served... RD1 Jerald D Earney, U.S. Navy
Jerald''s Authorizations and Acknowledgements:
Cold War Medal
Enlisted Promotion
Expeditionary Medal
Good Conduct Medal
Honorable Service Lapel Pin
Korea Defense Service (Post War) Medal
Honorable Discharge
National Defense Medal
Ocean Crossing Acknowledgement

latest photos of china's warplanes and missiles (apparegiMe@gMail.coM)

2009-11-26T06:47:52Z

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Implications - Indian PM Visit to US

2009-11-26T06:32:06Z

zamee...@gmail.com
Indian intelligence agencies launched a comprehensive media and
psychological warfare against Pakistan prior to their Prime Minister
Visit to USA. In this connection, New Delhi has raised numbers of
issues to malign China, Pakistan, and its intelligence Agencies in her
domestic communal conflicts. Indian started pretending them as a great

Re: SUBMARINES: The Last Kilo Limps Home

2009-11-26T06:19:21Z

On Nov 25, 7:08 pm, Otis Willie PIO The American War Library
They also have a Tango undergoing repairs? I thought those had been
retired?
David
(No word if Argentina wanted to buy any? Um.. sorry!)
Man, I wonder if some of those formerly Soviet shipyards have built
military ships since? It would seem a good industry to keep on hand,

Forever war of the wind

2009-11-26T06:18:26Z

MAX CLELAND
Every day I was in Vietnam, I thought about home. And, every day I
have been home, I have thought about Vietnam. So said one of the
millions of soldiers who fought there as I did. Change the name of the
battlefield and it could have been said by one of the American
servicemen coming home from Iraq or Afghanistan today.

Re: Japan to build fleet's biggest helicopter destroyer to fend off China

2009-11-26T05:59:31Z

On Nov 24, 6:55 am, Richard Casady <richardcas...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Oh man. That would be a heck of a helicopter killer. A warthog loaded
with Max AIM-9 load!

Re: Japan to build fleet's biggest helicopter destroyer to fend off China

2009-11-26T05:58:46Z

Yep. Have to add the French in there. Also the Russkies and Argentina.
Does one of the other South American navies have a carrier?
India also comes to mind.
I would not be suprised if the current French carriers were pretty
capable. They have a pretty solid history of naval aviation since WW2.

Manmohan Singh’s sojourn to USA

2009-11-26T05:36:21Z

By Asif Haroon Raja
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be on a visit to USA from 23
November onwards to hold wide ranging talks of mutual interest. The
visit assumes significance since it is the first visit of any head of
state to USA on the request of Obama Administration. The latter's
endeavor would be to give a message to the world in general and China

26/11: Questions That Need to be Posed & Answered

2009-11-26T05:22:24Z

By B. Raman
The 26/11 terrorist attacks in Mumbai left many important questions
unanswered, if not unposed.
What kind of intelligence was available----from the Indian as well as
foreign agencies?
How and by whom were the reports analysed, assessed and disseminated?
Were the gaps in the available intelligence identified and was action

Re: Japan to build fleet's biggest helicopter destroyer to fend off China

2009-11-26T04:07:54Z

Charles DeGaulle?

Re: Japan to build fleet's biggest helicopter destroyer to fend off China

2009-11-26T03:40:53Z

If you go to that extent then you'll have to conclude that the entire
world has two carrier fleets. USN and USN.
-HJC
(Plus a little noise near the margin of error...)

Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-26T03:35:07Z

On Nov 25, 6:00 pm, "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)"
Mary, I have a dear friend "Dian Hardison" and Lott Brantley.
I'd like to point out that when the foam ripped off, many times,
the tank was exposed to hypersonic air speed.
As John Doe pointed out the max Q is pretty much a non
issue after the SRB's are burned.

Re: Know what you are fighting - Understand the Independent, Objective Definition of Evil - {HRI 20090810-V1.1.2}

2009-11-26T02:16:21Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:56:24 +0100, in alt.war.vietnam Leonardo Been
Well, I admit that I didn't wade through all of that; I didn't really
follow whatever it was you were trying to say.
First of all, I'm as patriotic as the next guy... no more and no less;
however, I do not allow my patriotism to blind me to obvious facts.

Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-26T02:01:56Z

Indeed.
Mary Shafer, NASA senior research engineer, retired.

Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-26T02:00:40Z

You're ignoring aerothermodynamic heating entirely. You can't do
this. Waving your hand won't make it go away. It's a very complex
problem and not one that's easily solved
There's the reduction in structural integrity of the metal structure
when heated. The SR-71 airframe, made of titanium, got so hot on the

Re: Effects of getting kicked out of the military - negligible

2009-11-26T01:59:02Z

(in article <lmcrg595n3f0clras9cb7cp3lo5jv of...@4ax.com>):
I thought as much. In fact I made a separate post saying so. He's killed
Thanks CPO USN Ret. 1951-1973

Re: Pregnant woman thrashed, paraded naked in Uttar Pradesh

2009-11-26T01:51:47Z

We should pack up our tents and go home and let the entire indian
subcontinent bash each other's brains in to their heart's content.
Afghanistan and all the other Shiti-stans aren't worth a soldiers fart
let alone their life. If the people of those backassward tribal
cesspools want to build a nation then let'em...so far all it appears

Re: Apologies

2009-11-26T01:33:01Z

La N wrote:
As you ought to know, that's an English practice, not a French one.
;-)
Dennis

Re: OT: Apologies

2009-11-26T01:31:46Z

Well, there *aren't* that many geographical features in much of that
territory! I'm an American, and I don't have a lot of trouble keeping it
in order. I know vaguely where a lot of the Italian provinces are, but
couldn't recite them all. And forget the Swiss cantons.
Q: In the Large Hadron Collider, are there customs stations for the protons

Re: Revenge of the Drones An Analysis of Drone Strikes in Pakistan

2009-11-26T01:30:55Z

The earliest mention in their timeline of an experimental plant #456
as opposed to the much older factory or design bureau #456 is in Dec
1960. Apparently Factory 456 in Khimki is where they stationed the 23
German V2 (A-4) rocket experts taken from Nordhausen.
jsw

Re: Japan to build fleet's biggest helicopter destroyer to fend off China

2009-11-26T01:05:49Z

Well, V/STOL or helicopter carriers.......

Re: China's Noisy Nuclear Submarines

2009-11-26T00:59:01Z

You should ID each post as to authorship. I for one don't believe
there is any real role for a PLAN submarine force. That's hardly a
fantasy about submarines. I don't believe there is a role for USN
submarines to threaten China either. The USN sub force is the third
leg (US Strategic Air Force, ICBM, SLBM) of the nuclear deterrance

Know what you are fighting - Understand the Independent, Objective Definition of Evil - {HRI 20090810-V1.1.2}

2009-11-26T00:56:24Z

I know: You are bafflingly Insane and don't know anything about how
life works, anymore, at all - but you can start somewhere:
'
Independent, Objective Definition of Evil
10 August 2009
{HRI 20090810-V1.1.2}

Re: photo of china's future 5th gen fighter aircraft - apparegiMe@gMail.coM

2009-11-26T00:55:10Z

The Av Leak article has it right.
It's a cargo cult that owes more to the plastic toys the Chinese are
making than real science.
-HJC
[link]

Re: Revenge of the Drones An Analysis of Drone Strikes in Pakistan

2009-11-26T00:15:40Z

On Nov 25, 11:16 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Looks like they photographed the 1942 Khimki engine factory. I haven't
found a construction date for the apartment complex, but the article
was in Popular Science, August 2000:
[link]

Sub League Honors Sailor

2009-11-26T00:08:23Z

Sub League Honors Sailor
[link]
{EXCERPT} The Resident Logistics Specialist First Class Brett Adams, assigned to Naval Submarine Support Center (NSSC) New London, received the Charles A. Lockwood Award for...
[link]

SUBMARINES: The Last Kilo Limps Home

2009-11-26T00:08:23Z

SUBMARINES: The Last Kilo Limps Home
[link]
{EXCERPT} Strategy Page November 25, 2009: The Russian Black Sea Fleet suffered a major blow when its only operational submarine, a 19 year old Kilo class boat, broke down at sea...
[link]

Re: Revenge of the Drones An Analysis of Drone Strikes in Pakistan

2009-11-25T23:45:56Z

On Nov 25, 11:02 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
IIRC northeast of Moscow, near the road or railway to St Petersburg. I
read about it in a magazine a few years ago, don't remember which one
and an archive search of my best guess didn't find it.
jsw

Re: China's Noisy Nuclear Submarines

2009-11-25T23:28:45Z

1) I am not American
2) I dont think war is a good solution
3) I wish China well
My concern is with your fantasies about submarines not politics.
Keith

Re: Effects of getting kicked out of the military - negligible

2009-11-25T22:54:25Z

On 11/25/09 4:42 PM, in article 8nbrg5ph9irnds2lo7886n5ak4id7b l...@4ax.com,
I think in today's climate, it doesn't matter what type of discharge you
have. When a war is unpopular, civilian employers usually don't care, unless
of course they are a veteran. I know if I had a business and employed
people, I would most definitely ask if they had a discharge from the

Re: Effects of getting kicked out of the military - negligible

2009-11-25T22:46:10Z

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:07:11 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam BE-VA
Say, BE-VA... you're trying to hold an intelligent conversation with a
moron. Do us all a big favor and just killfile him out of hand...
nobody will think the less of you. You can't refute an idiot... I
can't, either.
Welcome to AWV.
Jones

Re: Effects of getting kicked out of the military - negligible

2009-11-25T22:42:06Z

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:51:14 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam BE-VA
[...]
Well, it's a complex topic and, as usual, has a complicated answer:
... it all depends.
It depends on lots of variables. Many times, a person receives a
"less than honorable" discharge at a very young age... they're teens
or early 20-somethings. The point isn't what happened; the issue is

Re: When data squared is negative, the data is.................

2009-11-25T22:07:35Z

yes and no you can only store a certain range of numbers in a computers
memory location. So if you've got an 8 bit memory location (those were
the days) you can store binary
00000000
to binary
11111111
or 0-255
so 255+1 is either going to be stored as
00000000
or
10000000
depending on which digit you drop. i.e. either 0 or 128, normally you'd

Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-25T21:58:31Z

Good point, there's a lot of great work to respect.
Well it would be arrogant to say "we" cuz I'm not authorized
to speak for the team.
Ken

Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-25T21:51:12Z

On Nov 25, 8:36 am, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com>
wrote:
America is spending 200-300 $billion per year on Bush wars,
(and in addition there is an emotional drain for everyone involved).
In these stressful times, there is a temptation to surrender the
high frontier. I suggest we maintain a manned space program.

Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-25T21:36:04Z

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:48:18 -0800 (PST), "Ken S. Tucker"
That's not actually true. von Braun & Co. helped a lot, but in the
end, they launched Explorer 1 only six weeks before the Naval Reseach
Laboratory launched Vanguard 1. And of those two satellites, which one
is still up there? Vanguard.
And you're humble, too.

Re: "Dr. Vincent Quin, PhD." -- VERIFIED HOMOSEXUAL TROLL

2009-11-25T21:30:04Z

In news:2009112516112175249-bibon@sempergumbyorg Bibon <bibon@semper-
Are you sure? Isn't that where this was invented?
[link]

"Dr. Vincent Quin, PhD." -- VERIFIED HOMOSEXUAL TROLL

2009-11-25T21:11:21Z

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
There is no Coldine Edu, there is no Vincent Quin PhD. What there is is
a disgruntled ass hole who got caught by the DADT regulation and got
kicked out of the Army before he had served 8 months. (states side) He
now does part time canvassing for homosexual activist groups in Des

Re: Effects of getting kicked out of the military - negligible

2009-11-25T21:04:55Z

"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
There is no Coldine Edu, there is no Vincent Quin PhD. What there is is
a disgruntled ass hole who got caught by the DADT regulation and got
kicked out of the Army before he had served 8 months.
He now does part time canvassing for homosexual activist groups in Des

Re: Military Space Plane = Space life boat?

2009-11-25T20:27:45Z

I agree, the foam weight is ~ 4800#'s
[link]
Ken

Re: When data squared is negative, the data is.................

2009-11-25T20:24:53Z

In article <f62rg51ultdb22iv3jlgsh4pb5tbe oj...@4ax.com>,
Trying to stuff the ^2 value into something too small to hold it has that
effect. A certain telescope I've had dealings with would do that id the
received-voltage-squared value was too large: the counters would wrapover
with - ahem - interesting effects, which could include negative values,

Re: SUBSCOL dedicates Submarine Escape Trainer

2009-11-25T20:12:46Z

Middies...Sheeeesh! Did they give you enlisted Dolphins afterwards?
(JK Jeff, I know you aren't that type. ;) )
BB

Re: Apologies

2009-11-25T20:12:33Z

"dott.Piergiorgio" <dott.PiergiorgioNI...@KAIGUN. fastwebnet.it> wrote in
message news:fSePm.44878$813.13626@tornado.fastwebnet.it...
Speaking of Commodore (naval content LOL!), the first computer I got to use
( I think around 1980-1) was my Dad's Commodore CBM 8032. He's still has it
stowed away in the attic, with most of the software (on 5.25" floppy disks)

Re: photo of china's future 5th gen fighter aircraft - apparegiMe@gMail.coM

2009-11-25T20:07:37Z

The problem here is that for total peace they'd have to give up all the
land...

Re: China's Noisy Nuclear Submarines

2009-11-25T20:06:24Z

The submarines are there for that job, carriers have a different job.
Plus a torpedo is a lot cheaper than a carrier...
There is also this problem of
Take it from me, nobody will care...
They are also hard to sink. There
Modern torpedoes are designed to break a ship's back.
The explosion, as I understand it, both produces shock waves that does

BlackWater High Treasons and the Bushite Grunter Don't Care - Cofer Black and Robert Richer are the two 911 perps who enjoy torturing innocent children to death in front of Parents

2009-11-25T20:06:14Z

BlackWater High Treasons and the Bushite Grunter Don't Care
See, Cofer Black is refered to as "CIA" when talking
the trial of KSM by torturing his innocent children to
death (haven't been seen by anyone for years since, and
if they were, just how would that sound?), and then,
when talking about bombing school kids in Pakistan,

Re: SUBSCOL dedicates Submarine Escape Trainer

2009-11-25T19:59:33Z

That it were. They let us middies make the ascent during 2nd Class Summer.
Yeehaw!
Jeff