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Over at the Commentary blog, Max Boot notes (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/178391) that even the gung-ho U.S. special forces seem "a bit worn down and pessimistic" in recent conversations he's had with them about the situation in Afghanistan. I've had similar conversations with rank-and- file members of the U.S. military recently--in part, because they're not sure that this mission can actually be accomplished (very unusual for our can-do military), but also because they're exhausted and overstretched after eight years of combat, in the necessary Afghan action and the unnecessary war of choice in Iraq.
Boot's prescription is as predictable as it is lame...
He thinks morale would improve markedly if the President uses the word "victory" in his Afghanistan rollout next week. But "victory" is a word that was never used by David Petraeus in Iraq--it was only used by unsophisticated bully-raggers like John McCain--and it is a word that would be laughable if applied to Afghanistan (just as it remains fairly implausible when applied to Iraq). Success is a better word than "victory," less bellicose, more in keeping with the spirit of counter-insurgency doctrine.
Boot is on firmer ground when he suggests that morale would improve if Obama hews to the McChrystal recommendation of 40,000 troops, but I think a much stronger morale booster would be if the President conveys a firm, reasonable sense of what can actually be accomplished in Afghanistan (and the region), and why it must be accomplished--no matter the number of troops he is sending. A plausible sense of mission needs to be re-established...and it would be a nice morale booster if he reinforced this message to the troops by (a) finding a way to deliver it personally in Afghanistan for the holidays and (b) spending either Thanksgiving or Christmas with his family at either Fort Hood or Fort Lewis here, with the families of troops either returning from deployments or rotating downrange.
But there is one further step the President should take. In almost every conversation I've had with members of the military who have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, the most powerful morale buster is the sense that they're in this all alone--that the rest of the country expresses "support" for the troops but isn't really involved, individually or emotionally, in the war effort. ("Thank you for your service" is the punch line for more than a few jokes and sardonic quips.)
If the President really wants to raise flagging morale, he can get the rest of us involved in Afghanistan when he makes his speech next Tuesday. He can name some charities--like Greg Mortenson's project to build schools or Matt Damon's efforts to provide clean water (in Africa now, but it could be expanded to Afghanistan and Pakistan)-- that people should be supporting in the war zone. He can ask people to donate clothing for Afghan children or seeds for Afghan farmers. He could set up an office--yes, Glenn Beck, a czar--to coordinate this effort. As I wrote yesterday, I'd favor something even more tangible-- a tax to fund the war effort--but I'm not holding my breath.
It has been a privilege for me to spend time with our military these past eight years since September 11, 2001. The culture of service and sacrifice--and the reciprocal provision, by the government, of gold- plated social services that would thrill any liberal--represents the best we can be as a society. In fact, the President should appropriate the old Army slogan and say that it is time for us, as a nation, to Be All We Can Be...in support of the Afghan war effort and make some specific suggestions about how that can be done. It'll produce a morale surge among the troops--and, I suspect, an endorphin- laden feeling of solidarity among the rest of us as well.
when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq the Afghan horse left the barn.
what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get along. all that's left is to get out.
> when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq the > Afghan horse left the barn.
> what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > along. > all that's left is to get out.
you're right ray....let's just give up.....those that died, died for nothing.
A free and democratic Afghanistan can be a reality....btw, how is our action in Afghanistan impacting your life? I'd say not at all, so don't you fret.....
> > when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq the > > Afghan horse left the barn.
> > what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > > the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > > along. > > all that's left is to get out.
> you're right ray....let's just give up.....those that died, died for > nothing.
> A free and democratic Afghanistan can be a reality....btw, how is > our action in Afghanistan impacting your life? I'd say not at all, so > don't you fret.....
> Mark
Word up. Remember a couple years ago when people said Iraq would probably go to Al Quaeda and the cause of the government there was doomed.
It is a reality, and it can be achieved on the ground, it is only a question of will to do so, and with additional numbers available as more Iraqi forces ramp up and free up allied forces it shouldn't be a question. Heck even Obama said it was doable when he ran for President.
>> when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq the >> Afghan horse left the barn.
>> what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. >> the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get >> along. >> all that's left is to get out.
> you're right ray....let's just give up.....those that died, died for > nothing.
> A free and democratic Afghanistan can be a reality....btw, how is > our action in Afghanistan impacting your life? I'd say not at all, so > don't you fret.....
> Mark
yes, lets throw good money after bad. can't have those who died did so in vain, so lets get thousands more killed. after all. its just a matter of true belief and sincerity,. those two values won WWII for the Germans after all.
> > when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq > > the > > Afghan horse left the barn.
> > what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > > the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > > along. > > all that's left is to get out.
> you're right ray....let's just give up.....those that died, died for > nothing.
> A free and democratic Afghanistan can be a reality....btw, how is > our action in Afghanistan impacting your life? I'd say not at all, so > don't you fret.....
> Mark
Word up. Remember a couple years ago when people said Iraq would probably go to Al Quaeda and the cause of the government there was doomed.
It is a reality, and it can be achieved on the ground, it is only a question of will to do so, and with additional numbers available as more Iraqi forces ramp up and free up allied forces it shouldn't be a question. Heck even Obama said it was doable when he ran for President.
>> when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq the >> Afghan horse left the barn.
>> what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. >> the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get >> along. >> all that's left is to get out.
> you're right ray....let's just give up.....those that died, died for > nothing.
And you want MORE people to die for nothing?
> A free and democratic Afghanistan can be a reality....btw, how is > our action in Afghanistan impacting your life? I'd say not at all, so > don't you fret.....
It is affecting my pocketbook quite significantly.
> : > : when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq > the > :Afghan horse left the barn. > :
> He's gone, RayRay. Give it up.
> : > :what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > :the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > along. > :all that's left is to get out. > :
> Well, if you can't accomplish anything now, you certainly couldn't > accomplish anything then.
> Of course, don't let the fact that you're absolutely ignorant about > such thing slow you down from prescribing policy...
the time to put a fire out is when its just starting, not when the house is fully engulfed. lots could have been domne then, but your hero the Chimperor chose not to do it. there was more money to be made with OBL alive than if he was dead. the entire Iraq scam would have been impossible to connect to him and 9/11 if he had been caught.
> : > : yes, lets throw good money after bad. > :can't have those who died did so in vain, so lets get thousands more > killed. > :
> And so RayRay once again shows just what an ignorant moron he really > is.
> Hint for RayRay: Total US deaths in Afghanistan since the very > beginning is well under a thousand.
> : > :after all. its just a matter of true belief and sincerity,. those two > values > :won WWII for the Germans after all. > :
> Give us some rational explanation for just why it is that Afghanistan > is such an exception, RayRay.
> Further Hint for RayRay: Given your attitude on the ALLIED side and > the Germans and Japanese would have won because we'd have surrendered > right after Pearl Harbor, recognizing from that high death toll that > we could never win.
> Final Hint for RayRay: You're a fuckwit, son...
you are a clueless git Fred. you'd have been with Hitler in the Fuhrerbunker moving imaginary divisions on maps and wondering why you weren't winning.
The object was to get OBL and crush Al Qaeda. now we are involved in nation building and fighting the Taliban OBL and Al Qaeda have moved on. We were on the verge of winning when your hero the chimpler lost focus{with your apparent approval}
> : > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > :news:1qc6h5h9234ipdtdb8v85cm68dbqc5hqhe@4ax.com... > :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > :> > :> : > :> : yes, lets throw good money after bad. > :> :can't have those who died did so in vain, so lets get thousands more > :> killed. > :> : > :> > :> And so RayRay once again shows just what an ignorant moron he really > :> is. > :> > :> Hint for RayRay: Total US deaths in Afghanistan since the very > :> beginning is well under a thousand. > :> > :> : > :> :after all. its just a matter of true belief and sincerity,. those two > :> values > :> :won WWII for the Germans after all. > :> : > :> > :> Give us some rational explanation for just why it is that Afghanistan > :> is such an exception, RayRay. > :> > :> Further Hint for RayRay: Given your attitude on the ALLIED side and > :> the Germans and Japanese would have won because we'd have surrendered > :> right after Pearl Harbor, recognizing from that high death toll that > :> we could never win. > :> > :> Final Hint for RayRay: You're a fuckwit, son... > :> > : > : you are a clueless git Fred. you'd have been with Hitler in the > :Fuhrerbunker moving imaginary divisions on maps and wondering why you > :weren't winning. > : > :The object was to get OBL and crush Al Qaeda. now we are involved in nation > :building and fighting the Taliban > :OBL and Al Qaeda have moved on. > :We were on the verge of winning when your hero the chimpler lost focus{with > :your apparent approval} > :
> Lack of content noted.
> Failure to address the question noted.
> RayRay the Railing Fuckwit noted.
> -- > "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is > only stupid." > -- Heinrich Heine
BDS is a chronic condition and is obviously untreatable. Attacks of BDS are mostly brought on by exposure to reality. The only known treatment is exposure to a plethora of Paul Krugman columns or old copies of the NYT.
> > : > > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > :news:1qc6h5h9234ipdtdb8v85cm68dbqc5hqhe@4ax.com... > > :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > :> > > :> : > > :> : yes, lets throw good money after bad. > > :> :can't have those who died did so in vain, so lets get thousands more > > :> killed. > > :> : > > :> > > :> And so RayRay once again shows just what an ignorant moron he really > > :> is. > > :> > > :> Hint for RayRay: Total US deaths in Afghanistan since the very > > :> beginning is well under a thousand. > > :> > > :> : > > :> :after all. its just a matter of true belief and sincerity,. those two > > :> values > > :> :won WWII for the Germans after all. > > :> : > > :> > > :> Give us some rational explanation for just why it is that Afghanistan > > :> is such an exception, RayRay. > > :> > > :> Further Hint for RayRay: Given your attitude on the ALLIED side and > > :> the Germans and Japanese would have won because we'd have surrendered > > :> right after Pearl Harbor, recognizing from that high death toll that > > :> we could never win. > > :> > > :> Final Hint for RayRay: You're a fuckwit, son... > > :> > > : > > : you are a clueless git Fred. you'd have been with Hitler in the > > :Fuhrerbunker moving imaginary divisions on maps and wondering why you > > :weren't winning. > > : > > :The object was to get OBL and crush Al Qaeda. now we are involved in nation > > :building and fighting the Taliban > > :OBL and Al Qaeda have moved on. > > :We were on the verge of winning when your hero the chimpler lost focus{with > > :your apparent approval} > > :
> > Lack of content noted.
> > Failure to address the question noted.
> > RayRay the Railing Fuckwit noted.
> > -- > > "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is > > only stupid." > > -- Heinrich Heine
> BDS is a chronic condition and is obviously untreatable. Attacks of > BDS are mostly brought on by exposure to reality. The only known > treatment is exposure to a plethora of Paul Krugman columns or old > copies of the NYT.
That last sentence would be ruled as unconstitutional on the grounds of cruel and unusual punishment. Krugman should have lived in the USSR with the rest of the Central Committee.
> : > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > :news:1qc6h5h9234ipdtdb8v85cm68dbqc5hqhe@4ax.com... > :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > :> > :> : > :> : yes, lets throw good money after bad. > :> :can't have those who died did so in vain, so lets get thousands more > :> killed. > :> : > :> > :> And so RayRay once again shows just what an ignorant moron he really > :> is. > :> > :> Hint for RayRay: Total US deaths in Afghanistan since the very > :> beginning is well under a thousand. > :> > :> : > :> :after all. its just a matter of true belief and sincerity,. those two > :> values > :> :won WWII for the Germans after all. > :> : > :> > :> Give us some rational explanation for just why it is that Afghanistan > :> is such an exception, RayRay. > :> > :> Further Hint for RayRay: Given your attitude on the ALLIED side and > :> the Germans and Japanese would have won because we'd have surrendered > :> right after Pearl Harbor, recognizing from that high death toll that > :> we could never win. > :> > :> Final Hint for RayRay: You're a fuckwit, son... > :> > : > : you are a clueless git Fred. you'd have been with Hitler in the > :Fuhrerbunker moving imaginary divisions on maps and wondering why you > :weren't winning. > : > :The object was to get OBL and crush Al Qaeda. now we are involved in > nation > :building and fighting the Taliban > :OBL and Al Qaeda have moved on. > :We were on the verge of winning when your hero the chimpler lost > focus{with > :your apparent approval} > :
> Lack of content noted.
> Failure to address the question noted.
> RayRay the Railing Fuckwit noted.
> -- > "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is > only stupid." > -- Heinrich Heine
BDS is a chronic condition and is obviously untreatable. Attacks of BDS are mostly brought on by exposure to reality. The only known treatment is exposure to a plethora of Paul Krugman columns or old copies of the NYT.
so Bush calling off the pursuit of OBL and the war against Al Qaeda is my fault? lol yeah nothing is ever the chimps fault.
you're like his ex-press secratary on TV last week saying how there were NO terrorist attacks on America under Bush{9/11 anybody?}
you can toss all the lies you want. Bush fucked up everything. its not derangement to notice, but it is to try to ignore it.
and how come you stopped giving us the daily updates on the stock market? is it because its been stabilized and has recovered from the nose dive the chimpler put it in?
> : > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > :news:1dn5h59h3g11306l6jactf68nnb9mo2dud@4ax.com... > :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > :> > :> : > :> : when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq > :> the > :> :Afghan horse left the barn. > :> : > :> > :> He's gone, RayRay. Give it up. > :> > :> : > :> :what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > :> :the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > :> along. > :> :all that's left is to get out. > :> : > :> > :> Well, if you can't accomplish anything now, you certainly couldn't > :> accomplish anything then. > :> > :> Of course, don't let the fact that you're absolutely ignorant about > :> such thing slow you down from prescribing policy... > :> > : > : the time to put a fire out is when its just starting, not when the house > is > :fully engulfed. > :lots could have been domne then, but your hero the Chimperor chose not to > do > :it. > :
> Lack of anything other than usual RayRay Railing noted.
> : > :there was more money to be made with OBL alive than if he was dead. > :the entire Iraq scam would have been impossible to connect to him and > 9/11 > :if he had been caught. > :
> You really are actively deranged, aren't you?
you are what Lenin refered to as a useful idiot. someone the dear leader can count on for support no matter how badly he rips you off.
> > : > > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > :news:1dn5h59h3g11306l6jactf68nnb9mo2dud@4ax.com... > > :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > :> > > :> : > > :> : when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq > > :> the > > :> :Afghan horse left the barn. > > :> : > > :> > > :> He's gone, RayRay. Give it up. > > :> > > :> : > > :> :what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > > :> :the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > > :> along. > > :> :all that's left is to get out. > > :> : > > :> > > :> Well, if you can't accomplish anything now, you certainly couldn't > > :> accomplish anything then. > > :> > > :> Of course, don't let the fact that you're absolutely ignorant about > > :> such thing slow you down from prescribing policy... > > :> > > : > > : the time to put a fire out is when its just starting, not when the house > > is > > :fully engulfed. > > :lots could have been domne then, but your hero the Chimperor chose not to > > do > > :it. > > :
> > Lack of anything other than usual RayRay Railing noted.
> > : > > :there was more money to be made with OBL alive than if he was dead. > > :the entire Iraq scam would have been impossible to connect to him and > > 9/11 > > :if he had been caught. > > :
> > You really are actively deranged, aren't you?
> you are what Lenin refered to as a useful idiot. > someone the dear leader can count on for support no matter how badly he rips > you off.
Ray: Calm down and wipe the spittle off the screen. OBAMA is president now. He is the decider. If he decides wrong, it is his fault. Obama could end the war in Iraq immediately if he wanted but you notice he has not done so. So far, the market is still down and unemployment is waaaaaaay up.
> > > : > > > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > :news:1dn5h59h3g11306l6jactf68nnb9mo2dud@4ax.com... > > > :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > :> > > > :> : > > > :> : when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq > > > :> the > > > :> :Afghan horse left the barn. > > > :> : > > > :> > > > :> He's gone, RayRay. Give it up. > > > :> > > > :> : > > > :> :what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > > > :> :the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > > > :> along. > > > :> :all that's left is to get out. > > > :> : > > > :> > > > :> Well, if you can't accomplish anything now, you certainly couldn't > > > :> accomplish anything then. > > > :> > > > :> Of course, don't let the fact that you're absolutely ignorant about > > > :> such thing slow you down from prescribing policy... > > > :> > > > : > > > : the time to put a fire out is when its just starting, not when the house > > > is > > > :fully engulfed. > > > :lots could have been domne then, but your hero the Chimperor chose not to > > > do > > > :it. > > > :
> > > Lack of anything other than usual RayRay Railing noted.
> > > : > > > :there was more money to be made with OBL alive than if he was dead. > > > :the entire Iraq scam would have been impossible to connect to him and > > > 9/11 > > > :if he had been caught. > > > :
> > > You really are actively deranged, aren't you?
> > you are what Lenin refered to as a useful idiot. > > someone the dear leader can count on for support no matter how badly he rips > > you off.
> Ray: Calm down and wipe the spittle off the screen. OBAMA is > president now. He is the decider. If he decides wrong, it is his > fault. Obama could end the war in Iraq immediately if he wanted but > you notice he has not done so. So far, the market is still down and > unemployment is waaaaaaay up.
Oh, where was the Dow when he took office? Where is it now?
> > > > : > > > > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > :news:1dn5h59h3g11306l6jactf68nnb9mo2dud@4ax.com... > > > > :> "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > :> > > > > :> : > > > > :> : when the Chimpenfuhrer and his minions decided to concentrate on Iraq > > > > :> the > > > > :> :Afghan horse left the barn. > > > > :> : > > > > :> > > > > :> He's gone, RayRay. Give it up. > > > > :> > > > > :> : > > > > :> :what can we accomplish? nothing. more than the government is corrupt. > > > > :> :the country is made up of several ethnic groups who don't exactly get > > > > :> along. > > > > :> :all that's left is to get out. > > > > :> : > > > > :> > > > > :> Well, if you can't accomplish anything now, you certainly couldn't > > > > :> accomplish anything then. > > > > :> > > > > :> Of course, don't let the fact that you're absolutely ignorant about > > > > :> such thing slow you down from prescribing policy... > > > > :> > > > > : > > > > : the time to put a fire out is when its just starting, not when the house > > > > is > > > > :fully engulfed. > > > > :lots could have been domne then, but your hero the Chimperor chose not to > > > > do > > > > :it. > > > > :
> > > > Lack of anything other than usual RayRay Railing noted.
> > > > : > > > > :there was more money to be made with OBL alive than if he was dead. > > > > :the entire Iraq scam would have been impossible to connect to him and > > > > 9/11 > > > > :if he had been caught. > > > > :
> > > > You really are actively deranged, aren't you?
> > > you are what Lenin refered to as a useful idiot. > > > someone the dear leader can count on for support no matter how badly he rips > > > you off.
> > Ray: Calm down and wipe the spittle off the screen. OBAMA is > > president now. He is the decider. If he decides wrong, it is his > > fault. Obama could end the war in Iraq immediately if he wanted but > > you notice he has not done so. So far, the market is still down and > > unemployment is waaaaaaay up.
> Oh, where was the Dow when he took office? Where is it now?
> 7949 and 10,293 as of 1:41 EST
I suspect tthat Bush was successful in Iraq and Afghanistan because he is competent. Obama is failing in Afghanistan because he is incompetent. So far, Obama has failed at most actual things he has tried to do except running for office.
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