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1.  pdellys  
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De: pdel...@hotmail.com
Data: 1999/12/01
Assunto: Re: Fighter of the decade.
In article <1273-38361163-...@storefull-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

  Timoth...@webtv.net wrote:
> Fighter of the decade might be a bit much, but I'll most certainly be
> pulling for Michalczewsi against Roy Jones, Jr.

Hey Timmy, why don't you put your Aryan money where your Aryan mouth is?

I've got US$10,000 that says DM loses. Have you got the guts to back
your words up? Oh yes, and if you lose, you leave rsb FOREVER.

If I lose, I'll do likewise. So come on Timmy, I'm calling you out, son.

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2.  section8  
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Data: 1999/12/01
Assunto: Re: Fighter of the decade.
In article <384446EF.D85AC...@netscape.com>, Tom Grassia

<tgras...@netscape.com> wrote:
> Not that I'm on the DM bandwagon, but you are not allowed to say
> that.  I
> hereby invoke the Shane Mosely Rule.  DM might have been getting
> hit n bunches,
> because he knew that Montell could not hurt him.  His defense may
> be way
> tighter against Roy Jones Jr.
> Regards,
> O4 Tom

Utter bullshit.  DM was getting tagged by Griffin because Griffin is a
great boxer.  If you say DM is letting Griffin hit him, then DM is
practicing a stupid strategy.  Any punch of Griffin's could've broke
DM's nose, cut his lip, bust his eye, etc.  It does not take that much
power.  Your theory that DM was letting Griffin hit him because he
didn't fear Griffin's power is bullshit for this very reason.  Also,
people who let themselves get hit may end up with problems after their
career is over.  Not a wise thing to do.

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3.  Ivan Weiss  
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Data: 1999/12/01
Assunto: Re: Fighter of the decade.

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, section8 wrote:
> Utter bullshit.  DM was getting tagged by Griffin because Griffin is a
> great boxer.

If Griffin is a "great boxer" what's that make DM?

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4.  section8  
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Assunto: Re: Fighter of the decade.

>If Griffin is a "great boxer" what's that make DM?

A guy that can get hit by a "great boxer".  The context I am referring
to is technical boxing skills, not "great boxer" in the sense of like
"ledgendary boxer".

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Roy Jones my pick for Fighter of Decade.....  
5.  Roastsods  
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Assunto: Re: Roy Jones my pick for Fighter of Decade.....
Roy Jones is my pick for the "pound for pound" fighter of all time. He is one
of the most skillful boxers that I have ever seen, or heard about in the ring.
As for this decade, it would have to be a tie between Tyson and Holyfield. The
HW division has revolved around these 2 men for the past 10 years (and Mike for
several years before that). Like it or not, heavyweights are all that really
counts to the general public. They draw the bigger crowds and bigger paychecks.
Many people on the street wouldn't know who RJJ is, but most people have at
least heard of Tyson or Holyfield. Maybe Roy needs to bite an ear or two, or
start losing. People like adversity. Roy doesn't have adversity. He is an
excellent fighter who beats everyone he faces. Based on skills alone, he is the
best we've seen this decade. But to me, the title "Figher of the Decade"
demands more than just skills.

-Chuck.


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6.  JCohen9626  
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Assunto: Re: Roy Jones my pick for Fighter of Decade.....
In article <19991201004406.01127.00000...@ng-fb1.aol.com>, roasts...@aol.com

LMAO. Try Finito Lopez. The only thing that the other have done that Ricardo
hasn't is lose.

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1.  VanCanSte  
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Assunto: Re: Van'sTop35 hyv's-Nov30

>How is Hasim Rahman SIX spots ahead of Oleg Maskaev who beat Rahman?

Its based on their overall performance.
If I based it on who beats who,you would seeOliver McCall in my Number 1 spot.
You would also see Ike ahead of Tua which I also could not agree with based on
their overall resume.

VAN


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2.  Diego  
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Assunto: Re: Van'sTop35 hyv's-Nov30
VanCanSte wrote:

> >How is Hasim Rahman SIX spots ahead of Oleg Maskaev who beat Rahman?

> Its based on their overall performance.
> If I based it on who beats who,you would seeOliver McCall in my Number 1 spot.
> You would also see Ike ahead of Tua which I also could not agree with based on
> their overall resume.

> VAN

This line of thinking is severely flawed.  Rankings should be based
solely on the merit system.  Oliver McCall beat Maskaev before Oleg
really accomplished anything.  Maskaev's biggest wins came afterwards,
while Oliver career has been rather erratic ever since.  Maskaev has
continuously gone up, which McCall has spiraled down.  

Also, if Ike was active, he should be ahead of Tua, no matter how you
look at it.  Ike won a close, but fair decision (I personally thought
Tua won by a point, but it wasn't controversial) and folled up with a
devastating KO of fellow contender Chris Byrd.  Tua, however, struggled
with Jeff Wooden and his only significant win since was via
controversial stoppage against Hasim Rahman. However, with Ibeabuchi's
career in jeopardy, I can see how Tua, who has remained somewhat active,
could deserve to ranked higher, but only due to Ibeabuchi's absence.

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Assunto: Re: Van'sTop35 hyv's-Nov30

Quick bit of critizism
A) I would not punish Golota too much.  The Grant/Golota fight was a match
between two top ten fighters.
B) Maskaev / Rahman dilemma.  Prior to their fight Rahman was over-rated and
Maskaev was under-rated.  Solve the problem by splitting the difference.  Put
Maskaev at 13 and Rahman at 14.
C) McKnight way overrated.  There are other prospects out there more deserving.

I strongly agree with your decision to give Tyson and Akinwande credit for
their resumes.  While I wish they both would simple go away Tyson and Akinwande
have to many respectable wins.  I'm a strong believer in ranking fighters based
on merit.


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4.  VanCanSte  
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>Quick bit of critizism
>A) I would not punish Golota too much.  The Grant/Golota fight was a match
>between two top ten fighters.

I find Golota to be extremely difficult to rank. His performances are always
strong (except vs Lewis) and then he self destructs. His abilities are top 5 in
my opinion.

His actual results though make him problematic.  If I were to rank him on his
actual results he would have 3 name victories (Nicholson, Ferguson,and
Witherspoon : last one marginal as he was probably already washed up), and 4
name defeats.  In my books I judge fights differently in some rare cases I feel
the decision is outright ridiculous. For example, I put Lewis above Holyfield
after their 1st fight as I felt he truly won it. Most of you would agree with
this.  But does this open a can of worms? Yes.

If a fight has a clear winner I do not intervene at all. eg: Maskaev defeated
Rahman. Here are fights that I judge differently though I understand I can
EASILY be assaulted for these.

Tua vs Ibeabuchi.
 Judges gave the fight to Ike.  I personally (after watching fight 3 or 4
times) judged it for Tua. Result is that in my mind it was a draw.  

Briggs vs Foreman.
 I've only seen it twice,but I felt George won clearly despite judges vote for
Briggs. Conclusion: I should call it a win for George,but I've basically called
it a draw as a compromise.

Bowe vs Golota.    
Despite the cleart fouls,Golota fairly clearly dominated both fights. Based
really only on performance I called both fights a draw.
Is this justified? Probably not. Butwith Golota's recent loss to Grant included
he would have totumble way down my list even further than he is now. Probably
somewhertearound #20. Is this where Golota should really be? Based onhis actual
results..yes. Comments?

>B) Maskaev / Rahman dilemma.  Prior to their fight Rahman was over-rated and
>Maskaev was under-rated.  Solve the problem by splitting the difference.  Put
>Maskaev at 13 and Rahman at 14.

But then where do Byrd, Jefferson, Donald and Vladimir Klitschko fit in?

>C) McKnight way overrated.  There are other prospects out there more
>deserving.

He's lost 2 fights and basically entered on his name win over Phil Jackson. Who
should b there instead?  

>I strongly agree with your decision to give Tyson and Akinwande credit for
>their resumes.  While I wish they both would simple go away Tyson and
>Akinwande
>have to many respectable wins.  I'm a strong believer in ranking fighters
>based
>on merit.

Me too. I agree with you here. But as I was  giving them the benefit of the
result I was alsothinking Larry Donald may deserve some more too, but then
pulled back. Was this right? Should he be above Kirk Johnson?

VAN


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