sternvo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <3819A23A.5E226...@unb.ca>,
>   Alex Lopez-Ortiz <alop...@unb.ca> wrote:

> > So you are telling me that in this century all but one of the top
> > athletes are American?  Yeah right.

> > How about Pele? Jahangir Khan? Stevenson (or whatever the name of
> > the cuban boxer was)? Nadia Comaneci? La Bomba Tromba? Pavo Nuri (sp)?
> > Sergei Bubka?

>   If you define "American" as "from the USA", you can't count Canada's
> Wayne Gretzky.  If you include Latin America, Pele and Teofilo Stevenson
> obviously qualify.  Paavo Nurmi, known as "The Flying Finn", would have
> to be considered along with Czechoslovakia's Emil Zatopek in the
> distance runner category.  My five top USA athletes, in an order open to
> debate:

>   1.  Babe Ruth- Imagine him playing today, pitching every fifth day and
> DH'ing the rest of the time.  What salary would he command?

>   2.  Jim Thorpe- Remember the hoopla over Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders
> switching from baseball to football?  Thorpe added Olympic events to
> careers in these sports.

>   3.  Muhammad Ali- Perhaps the most well-known living human at the
> height of his prowess.  The story of his tossing the gold medal he won
> (as Cassius Clay) into the Ohio River after being refused service at a
> restaurant resonates, apocryphal though it may be.

>   4.  Carl Lewis- Jesse Owens made a greater impact in 1936 than Carl
> did in any one Olympiad, and was shorted of further glory by wartime
> suspension of the Games, but Lewis proved himself over the long haul.

>   5.  Michael Jordan- Might have been higher if he hadn't proven his
> relative mortality during his ill-fated baseball flirtation.  For those
> who haven't heard it before, it was said that the only person who could
> keep him from scoring 20 points in a game was Dean Smith, his coach at
> North Carolina.  Jordan broke Cleveland hearts more often than did John
> Elway.

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> Professor
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> Brunswick
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COBALT1914 wrote:
> >  I don't
> >know if Paz is really that naive or he just understands who controls
> >boxing.<

> And who is it that Controls Boxing Timothy?

> Brian Davis
> Riverdale, IL

Michael Haught wrote:
> Michael Middleton <bgmiddl...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19991030222615.11755.00000417@ng-cn1.aol.com...
> > Who really cares what he did as a manager? He should be put in the Hall of
> Fame
> > for what he did as a player. Its what you do on the field that matters, as
> a
> > player. He may be an ass, may have bet as a manager, but he does not
> belong in
> > the Hall of Fame for managing, he belongs for being one of the best
> hitters to
> > ever pick up a bat. If character was a factor in getting in the hall of
> fame,
> > guys like O. J. Simpson, Lawrence Taylor, Ty Cobb, and about a hundred
> others I
> > could name would have never made it.

> This whole Pete Rose subject is a hard one for me to find my own answers.
> Growing up, Pete Rose was the player that I worshipped and tried to emulate
> when I played ball (the other kids called me "Pete Moss" for my feeble
> attempts to be another Pete<g>).  I admired everything he did on the field.
> In his personal life, he disappointed me and many other fans many times.
> When he was banned from baseball, it was the worst time for me as a sports
> fan.

> I agree with your point in your other post, he deserves to be in the HoF for
> his on field accomplishments.  I also believe that MLB keeps its head in the
> sand regarding the vulnerabilities of a drug involved player committing drug
> felonies being similar to a person gambling on baseball.  IMO, if you're
> involved in serious criminal activity, you are just as vulnerable to
> altering a game for the gamblers as you would if you were involved in
> gambling only.  Bookies and drug dealers live in the same economic
> community.

> In that regard, I think MLB definitely does have a convenient double
> standard.  And I felt this way before the Pete Rose situation reared itself.

>     -mwh

warman9...@my-deja.com wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with betting on or against your team.  On my 3rd
> tour in Nam I bet my crew that no one but myself would survive.  They
> were a sorry bunch.  They all died and I won the bet. To bad there was
> no one to collect from.  Them assholes died with out paying their
> debt.WarMan

kronk...@my-deja.com wrote:

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Richard Aspinall wrote in message <381E3DA2.ABD3A...@xtra.co.nz>...
>If you watch that Tua vs Ike fight you will see that Tua did not lose
>but actually won a close fight. I watched the tape a dozen times and
>scored each round out of 10 for each fighter and Tua won 12 times in my
>book.

> Plus Tua is a thinking fighter with a knockout punch and a tough
>chin, and is not afraid of any fighter including Tyson.