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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: hpan...@watson.den.csci.csc.com (Pandit Harish)
Data: 1996/05/01
Assunto: Re: Worst job by referee
: I'm not as knowledgable about boxing as most members of this group but do
: enjoy the sport. I recall a fight quite some years ago now, in which one : fighter clearly knocked the other down about 6 or 8 times. The ref called : each of the knockdowns "slips" even though the knocked down fighter was : staggering all over the ring. I believe the ref eventually lost his license : because of this. : I was just wondering about other examples of a really bad job by a ref. I : mean some established ref, not one no ones ever heard of. : -- : ********************************************* The worst job by a ref took place somewhere in the 1930's. I do not remember It is still amusing to note that even today the decision still stands. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: Sanity Cruzer <sntyc...@cruzio.com>
Data: 1996/05/01
Assunto: Re: Worst job by referee
jbla...@ix.netcom.com(Joel Black) wrote: Joel, I agree. Joey Curtis was crap. I never understood how anyone could >>He really is the worst,his wife Barbra is a decent judge however. >Come on Dave and Mike, justify his being in the ring. The Sanity Cruzer É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: delisa1...@aol.com (DeLisa1066)
Data: 1996/05/02
Assunto: Re: Worst job by referee
It's funny that is what Perez seems to be most remembered for. I 'know' Absolutely -- and he just did a couple of others where he was out of É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: dmurp...@ix.netcom.com(David M. Murphy)
Data: 1996/05/03
Assunto: Re: Worst job by referee
In <4maq04$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> delisa1...@aol.com (DeLisa1066) >It's funny that is what Perez seems to be most remembered for. I >Absolutely -- and he just did a couple of others where he was out of during his entire career....usually he's a Grand Canyon hike away from the action. Dave É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: b...@hiwaay.net (B.K. Momchilov)
Data: 1996/05/02
Assunto: Re: Worst job by referee
I suppose no list of "bad referees" would be complete without A case can also be made that the timekeeper, Frank McDonough was also I guess we could excuse Wolcott's inepititude given the fact that Just my opinion. Brian K. Momchilov P.S. IMHO, the best "new" referee in the pro's: Elmo Adolph. É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: "Angus I.G.Ramsay" <u01a...@abdn.ac.uk>
Data: 1996/05/01
Assunto: Re: Any thoughts on Hagler vs Leonard!!!
Well said on the "over-the-hill" front; Hagler really had the stuffing
knocked out of him against Mugabi; to be honest, a return between Hagler and Hearns after the Mugabi bout would have been a fifty-fifty pick'em, in my view. I also believe, however, that Hagler had done enough to hold on to his title in the Leonard fight, having almost total control after the first four or so rounds. Add to this the fact that he seemed to (deep breath) take it easy on Leonard in comparison to the fury he had shown against other challengers he had faced, and its clear who should have won. The fact that one judge gave what might be termed a "non-ballpark" score in favour of Leonard and that the other judge who gave the fight to Leonard was, it turned out, in some way connected to Leonard, takes away greatly from the true achievement of Leonard that night: he stayed on his feet. Angus P.S. Watch Dr.Who; Dr.Who is good for you! É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: PINSK...@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (SCOTT D PINSKER)
Data: 1996/05/01
Assunto: Re: Any thoughts on Hagler vs Leonard!!!
In <hreed.43.00147...@pps2-po.phyp.uiowa.edu> hr...@pps2-po.phyp.uiowa.edu writes: I read or heard somewhere (I drink too much and my memory is shot) > Eric Michael Creizman <em...@columbia.edu> writes: > >> Hagler wanted a rematch for quite some time, but much like the rest of the > >That is false, Heath. Leonard has repeatedly said he would have given > Leonard repeatedly said this? Wow, when, and where? Or was it, "My people that Leonard has RECENTLY talked to Hagler about a rematch, but Marvin is enjoying retirement. Incidently, a friend of mine ran into Hagler during his honeymoon last Marv gave him an autograph, though. By the way, the above Hagler tale is my attempt to look important and -Scott D. Pinsker É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: ddmac...@cats.ucsc.edu (Big D at SC)
Data: 1996/05/01
Assunto: Re: Any thoughts on Hagler vs Leonard!!!
> >The angle I heard was the Marvin was very bitter about, not just the Yes, I recall that he really needed to build up a great dislike for his > >defeat, but at the way the boxing powers that be had treated him > >throughout his career. He felt that he had been unfairly judged and could > >never rely on winning a decision, so he had to knock his opponents out > >every time, etc. This kind of thing. > Yeah, Marvin was pretty bitter about quite a few things, if I remember opponents in order to have that killer instinct. I recall seeing film of him training for a fight where he would be repeating his opponents name over and over again, and imagining this guy taking food out of the mouths of his family. The issue was raised that he really had trouble doing that with Ray, especially since Marvin was the one who put the challenge to Ray to come out of retirement and give him this big money fight. > He seems to have much the same temperment that Monzon had in the ring, Hmm... I guess this is a reference to Monzon having killed his > although their boxing styles weren't the same, nor has Marvin been jailed for > killing his ex-girlfriend (that I know of). >>Blink<< ex-girlfriend? I wasn't aware of that. > Yep, I'd agree that Marvin felt he needed to KO everyone, probably stemming Now THAT I can agree with you about. He was beating the heck out of the > from that Antuofermo draw back in '78? guy, and they gave him a draw. That had to be one of the worst decisions I ever saw. > >No, I never heard of Hagler screaming for a rematch with Leonard. Well, this could be true, and I'm not really interested in disputing it, > Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. My take on this but as I say, that was not my take on it. I, at least, never heard it put this way. UNTIL NOW!!! > Gotta give the man credit for staying retired. Absolutely. Plus, he is one of the greatest middleweights of all time. > I'm getting the feeling that we aren't gonna see eye-to-eye on this, Sure. Don't take this stuff too seriously anyway. Just a little mental > so I'm just gonna let it go. Whatcha say? :-) fencing, as I like to call it. Keep 'em comin'! Big D at SC É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: halhi...@aol.com (Halhiker)
Data: 1996/05/01
Assunto: Re: Any thoughts on Hagler vs Leonard!!!
In article Michael Creizman <em...@columbia.edu> writes: Gee, I remember him calling for one on the Today show and on many other >That is false, Heath. Leonard has repeatedly said he would have given >Hagler a rematch. Hagler never raised the issue seriously. programs as well. And SRL wanted no part of it. He gave up his titles (those that MMH held dear and and fought to defend all those years) and said he was again retired. Ray didn't bring up the idea of a rematch until much later, after MMH had been out of the game for many years Halhi...@aol.com (Hal Summers) É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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Grupos de notícias: rec.sport.boxing
De: pliesenb...@bix.com (pliesenberg)
Data: 1996/05/01
Assunto: Re: Any thoughts on Hagler vs Leonard!!!
".. And SRL wanted no part of it. He gave up his titles That's indeed the way it was. ...paul É necessário Acessar antes de postar mensagens.
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