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David Tua vs James Thunder in the making!!!!  
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1.  Dominic Paul Rzoska  
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De: rzos...@lincoln.ac.nz (Dominic Paul Rzoska)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: David Tua vs James Thunder in the making!!!!
It looks like Dino Duva is planning this fight already. Lou said that he is
organising a fight between the unbeaten Tua 23-0 (19) and Jimmy Thunder.
The main events team has made Thunders camp many offers to fight David in the
last few months but they have refused every offer. This time it looks like we
COULD see TUA/THUNDER fight in New Zealand in August/September if all
negotiations go well. This fight would be live on HBO in the States and would
be the biggest fight in New Zealand's history. I pray that we can see this
fight take place. I know Tua will win by KO yet it could be any round.

Dom.


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Trinidad/Whitaker  
1.  Sanity Cruzer  
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De: Sanity Cruzer <sntyc...@cruzio.com>
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: Trinidad/Whitaker

eda...@ns.net (khufu) wrote:
khufu wrote:
>>>Judges siding WITH Whitaker??? Am I reading this correctly?

>>Alejandro wrote
>>Like those ridiculous scores against Vasquez. That fight was 2 or 3
>>point win for Whitaker, but one judge gave him every round except the
>>one were he was knocked down.
>>Alejandro

khufu replied:

>My reply was a responce to the general idea of judges siding with Whitaker
>(not one judge of one fight). As you know, throughout his career he's tended
>to have the worst luck with judges.

>khufu.

I assume what khufu is referring to are, at least in part,  the two
blemishes on Whitaker's record: his sole 'loss' to Ramirez and his 'draw'
with Chavez.  I have never heard ANYONE say Whitaker got a 'W' when he did
not deserve it.  

                            Still listening,
                            Gary, aka The Sanity Cruzer


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McCullough/Bueno result  
1.  Matador  
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 Mais opções 1 abr 1996, 05:00
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De: mata...@crl.com (Matador)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: McCullough/Bueno result
In article <4jn67i$...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
   al...@ix.netcom.com (Alejandro Olague ) wrote:

>Wayne McCullough SD12 Jose Luis Bueno(WBC feather championship)
>(I didn't see it, so excuse any inaccuracies, please. From what I read,
>Bueno pretty much messed up Wayne's face with his counters and jabs.
>Wayne swayed the judges though, with his superior workrate and
>aggression. If anyone saw it, please post your views.)

It was a tough fight, but easily won for McCullough. Bueno had good form but
simply lacked the power to back McCullough up. Odd, since Bueno looked to have
good shoulders.

anyhow, Bueno was shocked he didn't get the decision, but the only judge who
gave it to him was the judge from Madrid. I had it at least a three point win
for the Irishman.


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2.  Lee M. Tokuda  
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De: tok...@breeze.seas.ucla.edu (Lee M. Tokuda)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: McCullough/Bueno result
In article <4jn67i$...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> al...@ix.netcom.com (Alejandro Olague ) writes:

>Wayne McCullough SD12 Jose Luis Bueno(WBC feather championship)
>(I didn't see it, so excuse any inaccuracies, please. From what I read,
>Bueno pretty much messed up Wayne's face with his counters and jabs.
>Wayne swayed the judges though, with his superior workrate and
>aggression. If anyone saw it, please post your views.)

Just to let everyone know, they are showing this fight tonight
(Monday, 4/1) at 11:30 pm (pacific) on Prime Ticket.  

Lee


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3.  Ivan Weiss  
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De: Ivan Weiss <iwei-...@seatimes.com>
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: McCullough/Bueno result
On 31 Mar 1996, Alejandro Olague wrote:

> Wayne McCullough SD12 Jose Luis Bueno(WBC feather championship)
> (I didn't see it, so excuse any inaccuracies, please. From what I read,
> Bueno pretty much messed up Wayne's face with his counters and jabs.
> Wayne swayed the judges though, with his superior workrate and
> aggression. If anyone saw it, please post your views.)

It was a SUPER fight, as good as it gets. Not a down moment in all 12
rounds, very little clinching. Bueno was outstanding, I didn't think he
had it in him to take the punches he took and keep coming. He ate a lot
of left hands from McCullough, but he slipped a lot and took a half-step
to his right and nailed McCullough repeatedly with counter right hands to
the head. I think Nacho Beristain is a genius trainer.

McCullough? What can I say? The man is a warrior, a little Joe Frazier. He
got hit flush on the button and on the few occasions he backed up he just
reloaded and came right in again. His defense shows no improvement. The
announcers said he had trouble making weight, and might have to move up
to 122. Welcome to the division from hell, Wayne. It doesn't get any easier.

Who won? Damned if I can tell you. McCullough said after the fight that
he was prepared to accept any decision. I took this to mean that he would
not have claimed he got robbed if Bueno had won. Bueno obviously thought
he should have been given the decision.

Compare this fight with McCullough-Rabanales. That one was even after 10
IMO, but McCullough made a tiring Rabanales miss a lot in 11 and 12. Not
so this time. Each fighter nailed the other at will while taking
punishment in return. This fight was a lot closer than
McCullough-Rabanales and way harder to score. I don't think McCullough's
work rate and aggression was superior to Bueno's, and I can't say his
punches had the greater effect, at least up to the final bell. I bet you
they both piss blood for a while. Get this hummer on tape, whatever it takes.

Ivan Weiss
Seattle Times
iwei-...@seatimes.com
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4.  monte christensen  
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De: mon...@microsoft.com (monte christensen)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: McCullough/Bueno result
In article <4jn67i$...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, al...@ix.netcom.com
says...

>Wayne McCullough SD12 Jose Luis Bueno(WBC feather championship)
>(I didn't see it, so excuse any inaccuracies, please. From what I read,
>Bueno pretty much messed up Wayne's face with his counters and jabs.
>Wayne swayed the judges though, with his superior workrate and
>aggression. If anyone saw it, please post your views.)

I saw this fights and I think it was one of the best fights of the year.  
I mean it was a back and forth brawl for the whole fight.  I had the fight
scored very close.  I think I gave the fight to Wayne Mcullough by 1
round.  Bueno fought a great fight.  He used better defense and movement
than Mcullough but Wayne pressed the fight for all 12 rounds.  Neihter
fighter was down but both looked like they had been through a war.  
Mcullough was very swolen and cut in several places on his face after the
fight.  

Mcullough is about the most exciting fighter out there right now.  But his
skills are not top 10 P4P skills.  I don't see him moving up to 122 and
beating Barerra or Hamed.  He throws a lot of punches but his power is
only average.  His defense, while improving, is still not very good.  He
just squares up to his opponent too much and takes punches.   But his
fights are great to watch.  He is fighting on the June 7th undercard and
them moving up to 122.  I don't predict he will have a very long career.  
Since he doesn't have too much power he must grind out every win and he
takes a lot of punishment to get those wins.  

Bueno looked pretty good.  His power seemd good after moving up from 115.  
I was suprised that he even got 1 judge to score for him over in Ireland.  
I figured he had no chance to win but by KO.  

The first fight on the card featured Cory Johnson vs Shanon Taylor from
Australia.  Taylor was hyped up a lot as a power puncher but he looked
pretty poor to me.  I thought he lost most of the rounds to the slick
boxer Johnson.  Taylor did score a knockdown in the 10th to get  a draw.  
They only have the ref score in Ireland.  The scoring was even at 98-98 or
maybe 97-97.  I thought johnson easily outboxed the slow plodding Taylor
for 7 out of 9 rounds before the last round.  Even scoring it 10-8 I sill
have Johnson ahead but a few points.  But it was also a pretty good fight.  

Johnson seems to be a pretty good fighter.  His only loss was to Stevie
Johnston who is VERY good.  Taylor was very slow and his power is good but
his defense and movement are horrible.

>Alejandro

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5.  David Murphy  
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De: USWQ...@prodigy.com (David Murphy)
Data: 1996/04/02
Assunto: Re: McCullough/Bueno result
I watched the replay last night and thought McCullough did enough to win.

Bueno was a former world champ and a tough customer,but I thought Wayne
landed more blows.It was a close fight,with plenty of rounds that could
have
gone either way....I'd love to see a re-match.

Dave


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T Dogg - The unknown loser  
1.  Joseph P. Beaton  
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De: "Joseph P. Beaton" <beat...@rl.af.mil>
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: T Dogg - The unknown loser

Melanie Ley wrote:

> QHKY...@prodigy.com (Art Druelk) wrote:

> >Ouuu smart intellect cute guy come kiss my ass.. better yet ill come kiss
> >yours right after I cum all inside and over your hot tight ass. Keep
> >talking smart aleck girly talk like that baby honey.. your really turning
> >me on.

>         There is absolutely no reason to post this type of trash on
> rec.sport.boxing.  It is unwarranted and off-topic and has no place here.
> Prodigy has already been notified.  I suggest either you clean up your act or
> take it somewhere else.  You and your garbage are not wanted here.

> Melanie

Careful Mel,
  While I find this language offensive and also agree that it has no place
in this forum, I find censorship more offensive.
  Would it be better to control this type of garbage by ignoring this person
or by having an organization censor everyone...  

Take care Mel!

-Joe-

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2.  Melanie Ley  
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De: box...@crl.com (Melanie Ley)
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: T Dogg - The unknown loser
"Joseph P. Beaton" <beat...@rl.af.mil> wrote:

>Careful Mel,
>  While I find this language offensive and also agree that it has no place
>in this forum, I find censorship more offensive.

        I have no intention of "being careful" where this person is concerned.
He is continually posting scummy writings directed at me.  Since I can't
personally  "censor" his words, or any one else's, on this newsgroup, I have
asked Prodigy to take care of cleaning up their client's act.  If you feel that
asking someone to not post nasty, scurrilous, off-topic postings is censorship,
then maybe it's a good thing the Government is trying to step in where others
fear to tread.  

>Would it be better to control this type of garbage by ignoring this person
>or by having an organization censor everyone...  

        I have, and do, ignore him.  I do not reply directly nor do I respond to
anything he writes.  However, the Internet does allow for complaints to servers
regarding the content of their client's postings and emails.

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Bruno  
1.  "David Jackson"  
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De: ma...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("David Jackson")
Data: 1996/04/01
Assunto: Re: Bruno

> Wrong-Bruno make $6 or $7 Million and did not give his all. He was all
> defensive and no offense. He looked (and was) scared. He insulted his
> name, his memory, his countrymen and his sport. He is being treated to
> kindly by the Brits. If I was a Brit who rooted  and bet on him, I would
> be pissed. What a terrible night for boxing.
> Arnie

I am a brit and I am afraid I have to agree with you, I was bitterly
disappointed with brunos performance, he talked as though he was really
going to make a fight of it, I think that is why so many people over here
thought he might have a chance, lets face it his only chance was to come
out firing, which is what he said he would do, but he let us down so as
far as I am concerned, I could not give a toss if we never hear of him
again.

DJ   "if there is a man here I have not insulted,
      then I apologise"

                       Johann Brahms


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