"Seem" you AIN'T been payin attention to my posts, Chardonnay9 <{}:~ ( >

You've sorely disappointed me <{}:~( >

• A trainer who uses a variety of non-aversive techniques

You mean like "MANAGEMENT" BRIBERY AVOIDANCE an
lockin dogs in boxes an IGNORING their CRIES, Chardonnay9??

Dog trainers who "TAILOR" methods to suit individual dogs
are MORONS who end up JERKIN CHOKIN SHOCKIN
MUTILATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb
critters an LYIN abHOWET IT <{}:~ ( >

Don't THEORY mean UNPROVEN SuppHOWESITIONS, Chardonnay9?:

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004
Subject: "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines

 "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines
Classical and operant conditioning is founded in what
 is termed "learning theory".

The four rudimentary rules of "learning theory" are:

Something Good can start or be presented, so behavior
 increases = Positive Reinforcement (R+)

Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior
 decreases = Negative Punishment (P-)

Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior
decreases = Positive Punishment (P+)

Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior
 increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-)

Proponents of "learning theory" believe that no learning
can take place without reinforcement or punishment either
 positive or negative.

That is why they employ treats and force.

"Learning theory" is a flawed concept for evolutionarily
advanced species. Advanced species learn without any
external motivation. They are not automatons that merely
respond to stimuli. Their evolutionary survival has endowed
them with self motivated learning behavior.

 Canines, in particular, are curious, they love to learn and
they exhibit pride in what they have learned. They think-
they figure things out. They can invent games to play.

They can invent behaviors to drive you crazy.

They have emotions-they can be humorous and they can
be vindictive-their feelings can be hurt. They can suffer
terribly if you don't treat them with respect. They actively
 seek their environment for new things to learn.

They also learn from watching other animals and humans
 and they mimic their behavior (in the scientific literature this
 is termed allelomimetic behavior).

It is an insult to the intelligence of dogs and to their owners
 to employ operant conditioning (clicker training). Dogs are
not B.F. Skinner robots whose only capacity to learn stems
from the four rules of "learning theory".

Canines deserve treatment and training that is tailored to their
 nature. You can literally ruin your dog if your treatment and
 training does not respect their nature.

Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.
It is the only available method, of which I am aware, that is
based upon the true nature of canines. In his system, praise
is not used as a reinforcement or motivator, i.e., dogs are
not asked to work for praise.

--Larry

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004

Subject: Re: "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines

What you fail to understand is the concept of self generated,
self motivated behavior as opposed to reflex like behavior that
 is simply a response to a stimulus. It is double talk to refer to
 self generated behavior as a response to internally generated
stimuli. Thinking is not a response to any stimuli. It takes effort
 to think. It takes will power. It is a self generated, conscious
 process that operates independently of any reinforcement.

Thinking is initiated by the will of the thinker,
without stimulus-it is self generated.
B.F. Skinner behaviorism applied to thinking animals is a
 grotesque fraud. Its propagation as a model for learning
has inflicted untold damage upon thinking animals-especially
humans. It does not surprise me that those who endorse it do
 not consider themselves more evolutionarily advanced than
newts, because according to "learning theory", learning is
no different for a newt than it is for a human. But for thinking
 animals, the rules of "learning theory" are not their primary
mechanism for learning-their primary mechanism is a thinking
process and a thinking process is not a response to any stimuli
or reinforcement-it is self generated.

I cannot imagine how any enlightened mind can believe that
their knowledge was randomly gained from external/internal
stimuli. Anyone who has taken the effort to observe or to study
 the thinking skills of canines could never believe that their behavior
 results from random external/internal stimuli.

Have you never heard of the ingenious feats of thinking that
dogs have performed to save their owner's lives? The renowned
canine psychologist, Dr. Dare Miller, personally revealed to me
the events of two separate occasions when his dog exhibited
profound thinking skills to figure out a way to save his life; once
when he was trapped under the ice in a lake and another when
he was buried in an avalanche.

My statements on the use of praise have either been misunderstood
 or else they have been twisted to suit the detractor's intent.

The Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method uses praise
extensively-it is integral to the method. But the method is
designed for thinking animals not B.F. Skinner robots who's
only learning mechanism would be through pain or bribe.

Thus, as I originally stated, praise is not used as reinforcement
 because the entire concept of "learning theory" is rejected as
an applicable model for thinking animals.

--Larry

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                        SEE??

ALL those "CERTIFICATION" organizations are SELF-SERVING
SCAMS an FRAUDS, Chardonnay9, puportrated on us by the
SAME SELF-SERVIN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL
CASES who JERK CHOKE SHOCK BRIBE CRATE INTIMIDATE
SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE an MURDER innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT <{}:~ ( >

Let's go directly to the IDIOCY you've bought into, hook, line an stinker:

http://animalalternatives.org/nss-folder/hiddenpdfsfolder/TrainerTips...

      > General Dog Training
      > Title Author
      > Don’t shoot the dog Karen Pryor

karen pryor MURDERED her own DEAD KAT on accHOWENTA
she COULDN'T TRAIN IT not to piss an shit in her stovetop~!

      > How To Teach New Dog Old Tricks Ian Dunbar

"Seem" dumbar can't train AGGRESSIVE dogs at least
accordin to the PARTICIPANTS in his "GRHOWEL" classes~!

      > The Culture Clash  Jean Donaldson

If all these SELF-PUPORTED EXXXPERTS could TRAIN ALL
dogs do you think they'd need to keep writin books to SELL us?

               <snip IDIOCY>

      > Dogs Behaving Badly Dr. Nicholas Dodman

              BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!

All dr. dodman does is SELL ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications
to CALM dogs he's locked in boxes an SHOCKED for ESCAPIN
their abusive HOWESES~!

Apupriate nutrition will not permit the "flu" to manifest <{}'; ~ ) >

And only a lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life-long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL
 PATIENT would deny the FACTS as you've SEEN posted RIGHT
 HERE on The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
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Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
 NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training METHOD Manual
Forums <{}:~ ) >

      http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

    A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
   School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
   In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
   Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass

           And Their Behaviour Would Stop,
                - As If By Magic.

      Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
      UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
      Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
      Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
      Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

      "...all the highest nervous activity, as it
      manifests itself in the conditional reflex,
      consists of a continual change of these three
      fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition
      and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

      "Postitive emotions arising in connection
      with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
      of its pragmatic significance at a given
      moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
      emotions, not outside rewards, are what
      reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

  "All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz

      "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
      reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
      model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
      Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
      HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
      reward not received is experienced as a punishment
      and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
      (Azrin et al, 1966)."

The Embry Study:

"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.

Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about dashing into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.

Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."

Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Report
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."

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      "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
      technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
      (1966) report a standard contingent reward /
      punishment procedure developing imitative speech
      in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic
      boys. After twenty-six days the boys are reported
      to have been learning new words with alacrity.

           HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a
      delayed contingency the behavior and learning
      immediately deteriorated."

      "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
      deviant behavior of children can be achieved
      through brief, simple educative routines with
      their mothers which modify the mother's social
      behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
      clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
      child THERAPY through changing the clinical
      emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of
      the child (Szrynski 1965).

      A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
      preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
      of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE
      a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
      cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to
      five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily
      with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

     APUPRIATE, EFFECTIVE, NON-PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC
     methods of raisin handlin trainin an care AIN'T matters of
     OPINION or PREFERENCES; they're matters of SCIENCE
     and FACTS:

               Punishment ALWAYS Deranges Behavior.
           "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                                   EXCEPT
                      To DERANGE Behaviors.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

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              From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
              The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

               I have studied canine behavior and dog training
               for years. I have a huge library that covers
               every system of training.

               The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
               Training Method is by far the most scientific,
               the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
               and the most effective training method yet
               discovered.

               It is not an assortment of training tips and
               tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
               Every behavior problem and every obedience
               skill is treated in the same logically
               consistent manner.

               Please study his manual carefully. Please
               endeavor to understand the basis of his system
               and please follow his directions exactly. His
               manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
               theory, with explanation, with detailed
               descriptions about why behavior problems occur
               and how their solution should be approached.

               One should not pick and choose from among his
               methods based upon what you personally like or
               dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a
               complete and integrated system for not only
               training a dog but for raising a loving
               companion.

               When I once said to Jerry that his system
               creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
               response was that it produces for your dog the
               owner of his dreams.

               You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
               gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
               with you, if you praise your dog every time he
               looks at you, then you will become the center
               of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
               distraction with praise, then it takes
               just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
               your dog to not misbehave (even in your
               absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
               my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
               clip his nails).

               Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
               distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
               it takes just minutes to train you dog to
               respond to your commands.

               What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
               old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
               legs would carry him in response to my recall
               command-and he comes running every time I call
               no matter where we are or what he is doing.

I don't agree with everything I post. Sometimes it's posted to start
conversation.

Gotcha!

I'll PLAY with you and I'll stay ON TOPIC <{}';~ ) >

1st thing to LOOK for in a "trainer" is ANY trainer who
 NEEDS to "EVALUATE" a dog or behavior problem;
EFFECTIVE, SCIENTIFIC, NON-PHYSICAL Pavlovian
 and Ericksonian BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES
WORK on ALL critters -- JUST LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK <{}:~ ) >

CONsequently, if you run into a self-professed PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE TRAINER who "NEEDS TO EVALUATE" your dog,
HE / SHE IS A FRAUD <{}:~ ) >