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Sharon Too wrote: > Char is a conspiracy theorist. For those who question her motives, > "research", or theories, she accuses them of killing dogs. She claims that > since we own an animal hospital that we kill animals because we sell > Frontline and Advantage.
Frontline and Advantage both kill and hurt dogs. I posted what was in them and what those chemicals do. They are pesticides and they kill and maim dogs. That's fact.
It has *never* happened
I guess when you pretend that adverse reactions after use didn't come from that use you can say that. Wake up and stop hurting out pets!
and our records show that
> the life expectency of our patients has dramatically increased in the last > 10 years, but somehow she thinks she knows otherwise. However, we do see a > fair share of pets who suffer and die from flea bite anemia.
> Combing and vaccuuming does not eliminate the pet as host to these > parasites. If your child had lice would you comb and vaccuum them?
Eliminate? No. But it does knock them down quite a bit and when added to the other non-harmful methods of eradication it works. Hundreds of thousands do the same every day.
Gus Gassmann wrote: > Char wrote: >> The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed >> autoantibodies to their own DNA. They also found that vaccinated dogs >> were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. The vaccinated, >> but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed >> autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including >> fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and >> collagen.
>> This means that the vaccinated dogs -- ”but not the non-vaccinated >> dogs”-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in >> tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation >> between tissues and organs in a living organism.
> I read one of the studies (the one on Great Danes), and I remain > unconvinced. Even IF (see below) the autoimmune deficiencies could be > detected and linked to the repeated vaccinations, it does not seem to > have any measurable effect on the dogs' life expectancy.
> To quote from the study:
> "Hypothesis 3: Vaccinated compared with unvaccinated Great Dane dogs > have a significantly higher risk of autoimmune diseases, particularly > hypothyroidism.
> We were unable to test this hypothesis ... the long-term potential > adverse consequence of repeated vaccination is likely to remain unknown."
> The choice of words in this last sentence is unfortunate, since it > suggests that there *must* be an adverse consequence --- we just haven't > found it yet. But until a study proves the presence of such an adverse > effect, I'd much rather not have to contemplate the prospects of my dog > getting rabies, thank you very much!
You think the vaccine manufacturers will do such a study? LOL! Of course not! But the good news is that there is a study going on to show that the vaccines last a lot longer than present thinking.
The problem is that the vets won't admit the adverse reactions are due to vaccines and don't report them as such.
Most likely your pet would never come in contact with a rabid animal anyway. Almost every place where legislation was put into place regarding rabies never had a problem with rabies to begin with.
And stop thinking that vaccines are the only way to get immunity.
Grupos de notícias: rec.pets.dogs.breeds, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.cats.health+behav, alt.recovery.aa, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> You'll do an say ANY THING to DEFEND your alledged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE > MUTILATE an MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT > <{}:~ ( >
>> "research",
> Might sharon the veterinary obfuscationist care to refute the SCIENCE?
>> She claims that since we own an animal hospital that we kill animals
> INDEEDY. You surgically digitally an sexually MUTILATE innocent kats an > dogs.
>> because we sell Frontline and Advantage.
> Don't forget the rest of your apuproved veterinary toxins <{}:~ ( >
>> It has *never* happened
> You mean you DON'T REALIZE it happens ALL THE TIME, you MENTAL CASE.
>> and our records show that the life expectency of our patients has >> dramatically increased >> in the last 10 years,
> INDEED? Then your own records DISAGREE with the STATISTICS <{}:~ ( >
Very good point! Of course, if you are determined to say that adverse reactions are due to anything but the vaccines you won't have records that tell the truth.
>> Combing and vaccuuming does not eliminate the pet as host to these >> parasites.
> Of curse not~!
>> If your child had lice would you comb and vaccuum them?
> Of curse not~! You ever heard of SOAP an WATER?? "Cleanlieness > is next to G-dlieness", remember, sharon?
>> Since my killfile even hates her and pukes her out every now and then,
> "Seem" it was *you* who opened her post, remember, sharon?
> Or was you havin a other PSYCHOTIC BREAK from reality??
>> I'm sure I'll see her conspiracy tirade soon enough.
> Naaah. Just try readin the INFORMATION on her links <{};~ ) >
She'd rather be scared that someone will recognize the truth about her. Notice she will not mention the name of the clinic she works for nor it's location.
> Regarding contributing factors to disease in pets:
> Classical Veterinary Homeopathy - Michael Dym, VMD, Dr. Dym is a > presidential scholar graduate from Cornell University with his VMD from > Penn. He is an active member of the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy and > the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association.
> "Over the past 40 years and 17 generations of dogs and, cats we are > seeing tremendous increases in chronic ill health in our pets that was > rare back in the early 1960's. Most of these illnesses revolve around > breakdown in our pets' immune systems, and include chronic skin/ear > allergies, digestive upset, thyroid/adrenal/pancreatic disorders, > seizures, gum/ teeth problems, degenerative arthritis, kidney/liver > failure, and cancer across all ages and breeds. We are also seeing a > record number of behavioral and emotional disorders including alarming > and unexplained fears/aggression., as well as difficulty > focusing/training and paying attention. The analogy of these compared > with escalating immune/behavioral diseases in children is quite > disturbing. The two biggest factors in our pets' population health > decline over these generations has been the severe overuse of multiple > vaccines and nutrient poor and toxin filled commercial pet foods. We > have also failed to address the underlying cause of disease by only sup > pressing symptoms with antibiotics, cortisone and related drugs, so the > disease progresses and goes deeper. "
Sharon Too wrote: >> "Char" <chardonn...@earthlink.net>
>> <snipped for responding to twit>
>> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
> Char the Conspiracy Theorist is president of Jerry's fan club.
How many dogs did you kill today Sharon? How many did you mutilate? How many were dosed with horrible pesticides? How many legit vaccine negative reactions did you ignore?
On Oct 19, 8:06 pm, Char <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sharon Too wrote: > >> "Char" <chardonn...@earthlink.net>
> >> <snipped for responding to twit>
> >> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
> > Char the Conspiracy Theorist is president of Jerry's fan club.
> How many dogs did you kill today Sharon? How many did you mutilate? How > many were dosed with horrible pesticides? How many legit vaccine > negative reactions did you ignore?
Are you all in the same "crazy house"? I am pretty sure that none of you actually care about your dogs, you are either too drugged up or too anti social to be able to raise pets properly. Or are you just one person so crazy that you have such a severe case of schizophrenia that you are playing the doctor and patient roles?
It is wonderful that you have your training method and it is not a bad one at that, but you only really need to treat your pets nicely and they will do whatever you want. Common sense works better than throwing cans at your dogs. It is just grand that you are so caring and advocate such a non cruel approach in your posts but a little bit hypocritical that you care and would not hurt your own pets but see no problem going out and slaughtering poor animals so your loving critters can have fresh, raw, dead critters everyday?
Then you have the other persona that is a lonely spinster that really wants to be loved and goes out and gets a cute loving dog but when the dog is not fulfilling her needs she wants to force it to love her and when that does not work for the poor abused critter she kills it and tries again with a newer smaller dog which is easier to control and kill in the end.
I suggest all of you (or you?) go out and socialize without your dogs and then once you can do that maybe you can try it with your pets. And by socializing I do not mean going to your NA meetings where everyone is as depressed and anti social as you are.
I hate to say this but most dogs will take all kinds of abuse from its owner and still be a loving loyal critter, you people have so many problems you really must be doing some bad shit to your critters for them to behave against you like they do?
And why does it take so long for people to train their dogs not to pee and shit in the house????? And what is with the cages you put them in so they do not piss and shit in the house? Common logic would tell you if the critter sees the cage as its house it will consider shitting outside of the cage ( in your house) as normal. It takes a day or two to stop a dog from pissing inside and no special training outside of taking the critter outside and saying good dog every time it pisses outside. No cans to throw at it, no talking to the furniture, no hanging it by the neck and locking it up and scolding when it shits inside, just watch your dog for a night or two you will see when they need to piss and shit and if you can not tell then you are too stupid to own a dog.
Yeah... "seem" matthew is a kat lover an snipped the cross post to his beloved kats forum so's they may CONtinue HURTIN INTIMIDATIN MUTILATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET it JUST LIKE HOWE they PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
> >> Char the Conspiracy Theorist is president of Jerry's fan club.
sharon the lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE is president of the veterinary OBFUSCATIONIST organization <{}: ~ ( >
>> How many dogs did you kill today Sharon? How many did you >> mutilate? How many were dosed with horrible pesticides? How >> many legit vaccine negative reactions did you ignore? > Are you all in the same "crazy house"?
You mean 'crazy HOWES', don't you, hathtobe, just HOWETA RESPECT <{}:~ ) >
"Seem" it's *you* who can't discern the LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL PATIENTS from the knowledgable, CARING animal lovers we got here abHOWETS <{}: ~ ( >
Granted, there's only a FEW of us, but I do believe it's *you* who has CONfHOWENDED us; perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENTA you're a ignorames or a fraud?
> I am pretty sure that none of you actually care about your dogs,
You think just on accHOWENTA folks here abHOWETS PREFER to jerk choke shock mutilate toxify an MURDER their own innocent defenseless dumb critters means they DON'T CARE abHOWET their critters?
Naaaah. They CARE; but only abHOWET themselves <{}: ~ ( >
> you are either too drugged up or too anti social to be > able to raise pets properly.
Agreed. AND it's all been DOCUMENTED right here in The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{}';~ ) >
> Or are you just one person so crazy that you have such > a severe case of schizophrenia that you are playing the > doctor and patient roles?
INDEED we DO have a few *(actually MOORE than a few) active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL PATIENTS who ONLY LIVE to HURT and INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless dumb critters <{}:~ ( >
> It is wonderful that you have your training > method and it is not a bad one at that,
INDEED? Oh, you mean on accHOWENTA that Chardonnay9 mentioned Jerry Howe's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method?
That DOES tend to inordinately CONcern HOWER MENTAL PATIENTS, DON'T IT, hathtobe <{}:~ ( >
> but you only really need to treat your pets nicely > and they will do whatever you want.
INDEED? Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass
And Their Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By Magic.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not received is experienced as a punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with their children about dashing into the street will likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source: "Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis in the Natural Environment. Research Report Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
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"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward / punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity.
HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning immediately deteriorated."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
APUPRIATE, EFFECTIVE, NON-PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC methods of raisin handlin trainin an care AIN'T matters of OPINION or PREFERENCES; they're matters of SCIENCE and FACTS:
Punishment ALWAYS Deranges Behavior. "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function EXCEPT To DERANGE Behaviors.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com> To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com> Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business" and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose "The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology
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From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com) The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
"Seem" matthew is a other MENTAL CASE whom we been WARNING abHOWET the RISKS of GARBAGE commercial diets and veterinary apuprooved toxins:
From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
Remember the Pet Food recall. I lost My Spirit to those bastards I would check the web if they re eating canned or dry food to see if there is a recall
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
With me living in a high heat and humidity state I would Look for mold Are you sure they have not been poisoned it could have been a cleaning agent you used flea treatment
Check your water sources also<-----------
Call another vet ASAP tell them the symptoms
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
"cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> "John Ross Mc Master" <pussy...@cathouse.meow> wrote >>>> Anyone have an idea? > If they are indoor cats why do they need Revolution?
Cyber my cats are inside they get flea treatments also. Fleas travel specially here in Florida they find there way inside --------------------
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On Sun, 17 May 2009 "Matthew" <....@proudtoserve.com
AAADD KNOW THE SYMPTOMS.....PLEASE READ!
Thank goodness there's a name for this disorder. Somehow I feel better even though I have it!!
Recently, I was diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D. - Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder..
This is how it manifests:
I decide to water my garden. As I turn on the hose in the driveway, I look over at my car and decide it needs washing.
As I start toward the garage, I notice mail on the porch table that I brought up from the mail box earlier.
I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car.
I lay my car keys on the table, put the junk mail in the garbage can under the table, and notice that the can is full.
So, I decide to put the bills back on the table and take out the garbage first.
But then I think, since I'm going to be near the mailbox when I take out the garbage anyway, I may as well pay the bills first.
I take my check book off the table, and see that there is only one check left. My extra checks are in my desk in the study, so I go inside the house to my desk where I find the can of Pepsi I'd been drinking.
I'm going to look for my checks, but first I need to push the Pepsi aside so that I don't accidentally knock it over.
The Pepsi is getting warm, and I decide to put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.
As I head toward the kitchen with the Pepsi, a vase of flowers on the counter catches my eye--they need water.
I put the Pepsi on the counter and discover my reading glasses that I've been searching for all morning. I decide I better put them back on my desk, but first I'm going to water the flowers.
I set the glasses back down on the counter, fill a container with water and suddenly spot the TV remote. Someone left it on the kitchen table.
I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV, I'll be looking for the remote, but I won't remember that it's on the kitchen table, so I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs, but first I'll water the flowers...
I pour some water in the flowers, but quite a bit of it spills on the floor.
So, I set the remote back on the table, get some towels and wipe up the spill.
Then, I head down the hall trying to remember what I was planning to do.
At the end of the day: the car isn't washed the bills aren't paid there is a warm can of Pepsi sitting on the counter the flowers don't have enough water, there is still only 1 check in my check book, I can't find the remote, I can't find my glasses, and I don't remember what I did with the car keys. Then, when I try to figure out why nothing got done today, I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all damn day, and I'm really tired.
I realize this is a serious problem, and I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my e-mail....
Do me a favor. Forward this message to everyone you know, because I don't remember who the heck I've sent it to.
Don't laugh -- if this isn't you yet, your day is coming!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 Subject: Re: Severe pain purrs please
Wish I had a way to help Mark It is approaching almost a year since I listened to my doctor and got the flue shot which turned into a severe case that I ended up in the hospital with ripped abdominal muscles and back muscles from sneezing and coughing so hard. I will never do that again
they gave me muscle relaxers and some type of pain killer in the hospital. GO TO YOUR doctor Mark you might be a man but don't be a stupid man and tough it out. Sleep is more important
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NHOWE GO BACK TO SLEEP, you pathetic MENTAL PATIENT <{}'; ~ ) >
> Yeah... "seem" matthew is a kat lover an snipped the cross post > to his beloved kats forum so's they may CONtinue HURTIN > INTIMIDATIN MUTILATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless > dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET it JUST LIKE HOWE they > PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
> > >> Char the Conspiracy Theorist is president of Jerry's fan club.
> sharon the lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE is president > of the veterinary OBFUSCATIONIST organization <{}: ~ ( >
> >> How many dogs did you kill today Sharon? How many did you > >> mutilate? How many were dosed with horrible pesticides? How > >> many legit vaccine negative reactions did you ignore? > > Are you all in the same "crazy house"?
> You mean 'crazy HOWES', don't you, > hathtobe, just HOWETA RESPECT <{}:~ ) >
> "Seem" it's *you* who can't discern the LYIN ANIMAL > MURDERIN MENTAL PATIENTS from the knowledgable, > CARING animal lovers we got here abHOWETS <{}: ~ ( >
> Granted, there's only a FEW of us, but I do believe it's > *you* who has CONfHOWENDED us; perhaps THAT'S > on accHOWENTA you're a ignorames or a fraud?
You trying to hide behind a bunch of jargon Jarry? Hope i wont read your all the crudely snipped posts which paint everyone as bad guy except you?
You show classic a case of passive aggression Jarry. You are not a fraud are you?
Did you not throw enough cans at your dogs today?
Do you "humanely" torture horses and slaughter them so you can feed your dogs freshly killed meat?
For an animal lover you feed your critters enough fresh meat to kill a herd.
You wanna learn how to train dogs Jarry without throwing stuff at them? I suggest you go to Santiago, Chile for a few months or years maybe, might learn something instead of you turning your dogs into zombies with Acousticophobia.
If they let dogs sleep on the White house lawn like in Santiago you would be there throwin cans around like a bartender during spring break and all the dogs would become violent and half the population would get bit until you and your ilk had them killed off.
Your methods are almost as harmful as the ones you are critical of.
> Yeah... "seem" matthew is a kat lover an snipped the cross post > to his beloved kats forum so's they may CONtinue HURTIN > INTIMIDATIN MUTILATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless > dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET it JUST LIKE HOWE they > PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
It's PROVEN by his own WRITTEN WORDS, hathtobe <{}:~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY matthew, you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
Your kats groups are DOOMED, just like HOWE The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard DESTROYED the dog lover's groups <{}:~ ) >
"Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message
> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
"Seem" matthew is a other MENTAL CASE whom we been WARNING abHOWET the RISKS of GARBAGE commercial diets and veterinary apuprooved toxins:
From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
Remember the Pet Food recall. I lost My Spirit to those bastards I would check the web if they re eating canned or dry food to see if there is a recall
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
With me living in a high heat and humidity state I would Look for mold Are you sure they have not been poisoned it could have been a cleaning agent you used flea treatment
Check your water sources also<-----------
Call another vet ASAP tell them the symptoms
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SEE??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
"cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> "John Ross Mc Master" <pussy...@cathouse.meow> wrote >>>> Anyone have an idea? > If they are indoor cats why do they need Revolution?
Cyber my cats are inside they get flea treatments also. Fleas travel specially here in Florida they find there way inside --------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
KUKOO~! KUKOO~! DING~! DING~!
On Sun, 17 May 2009 "Matthew" <....@proudtoserve.com
AAADD KNOW THE SYMPTOMS.....PLEASE READ!
Thank goodness there's a name for this disorder. Somehow I feel better even though I have it!!
Recently, I was diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D. - Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder..
This is how it manifests:
I decide to water my garden. As I turn on the hose in the driveway, I look over at my car and decide it needs washing.
As I start toward the garage, I notice mail on the porch table that I brought up from the mail box earlier.
I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car.
I lay my car keys on the table, put the junk mail in the garbage can under the table, and notice that the can is full.
So, I decide to put the bills back on the table and take out the garbage first.
But then I think, since I'm going to be near the mailbox when I take out the garbage anyway, I may as well pay the bills first.
I take my check book off the table, and see that there is only one check left. My extra checks are in my desk in the study, so I go inside the house to my desk where I find the can of Pepsi I'd been drinking.
I'm going to look for my checks, but first I need to push the Pepsi aside so that I don't accidentally knock it over.
The Pepsi is getting warm, and I decide to put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.
As I head toward the kitchen with the Pepsi, a vase of flowers on the counter catches my eye--they need water.
I put the Pepsi on the counter and discover my reading glasses that I've been searching for all morning. I decide I better put them back on my desk, but first I'm going to water the flowers.
I set the glasses back down on the counter, fill a container with water and suddenly spot the TV remote. Someone left it on the kitchen table.
I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV, I'll be looking for the remote, but I won't remember that it's on the kitchen table, so I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs, but first I'll water the flowers...
I pour some water in the flowers, but quite a bit of it spills on the floor.
So, I set the remote back on the table, get some towels and wipe up the spill.
Then, I head down the hall trying to remember what I was planning to do.
At the end of the day: the car isn't washed the bills aren't paid there is a warm can of Pepsi sitting on the counter the flowers don't have enough water, there is still only 1 check in my check book, I can't find the remote, I can't find my glasses, and I don't remember what I did with the car keys. Then, when I try to figure out why nothing got done today, I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all damn day, and I'm really tired.
I realize this is a serious problem, and I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my e-mail....
Do me a favor. Forward this message to everyone you know, because I don't remember who the heck I've sent it to.
Don't laugh -- if this isn't you yet, your day is coming!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 Subject: Re: Severe pain purrs please
Wish I had a way to help Mark It is approaching almost a year since I listened to my doctor and got the flue shot which turned into a severe case that I ended up in the hospital with ripped abdominal muscles and back muscles from sneezing and coughing so hard. I will never do that again
they gave me muscle relaxers and some type of pain killer in the hospital. GO TO YOUR doctor Mark you might be a man but don't be a stupid man and tough it out. Sleep is more important
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NHOWE GO BACK TO SLEEP, you pathetic MENTAL PATIENT <{}'; ~ ) >
Sharon wrote: > mauijnp wrote: > > I tried this with Maui, my 14 pound poodle and he > > had a bad reaction to it so I have 3 of the 4 vials left.
BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> > I can't return them to the vet
Didn't she BUY the POISON from her veterinary malpracticioner?
> > so I was hoping someone might want to buy them from me
It made her dog SICK. Doesn't THAT tell you sumpthin?
> > If anyone uses this brand and size and is interested > > in getting a good deal on some,
It POISONS dogs.
> > please email me or post here.
You'd have to be INSANE to do THAT to your own dog.
> > They are brand new, not expired and purchased within > > the month. They are still in the original but opened box. > > Thanks. > First things first.
You think she should hire a lawyer?
> Call Bayer.
Did you MISSPELL LAWYER?
> The phone number should be on the package.
Look up state board of veterinary medical EXXXAMINERS and ASK THEM HOWE COME their licensed vet POISONED her dog.
> If you bought the product through the vet, Bayer may reimburse you. The > reaction may be from the product being dosed in one spot versus several.
THAT'S INSANE. And it's a LIE.
> But in any event, call the manufacturer.
Wouldn't your office GUARANTEE the products THEY SELL???
I asked my Vet for a Heartworm preventive for my 2 year old Australian Shepherd, Sage. They recommended Revolution. It was applied on 3/15/00. On 3/20/00 Sage developed a cough, but she was otherwise fine.
>> NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY FORUMS until >> you've LEARNED HOWE to DEBATE trainin methods. > You dont get it do you Jarry?
I an my 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Students DON'T HAVE TO "git it", hathtobe <{}';~ ) >
> Were you in the military or something, maybe an ex cop?
That's IRRELEVANT, IMMATERIAL and INCONSEQUENTIAL, AIN'T IT, hathtobe? After all, I AM The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard <{}';~ ) >
> Let me give you an example, you are trying to train a dog > to sit so you can be the king of your dog training world.
You mean 'Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard, don't you, hath <{}';~ ) >
> An amazing majestic grand master.
Of ALL critters <{}:~ ) >
True enough, INDEEDY~!
> First off in many cases getting a dog to sit is uncomfortable
Oh, well THAT'S usually CAUSED BY cruciate ligament failure (***which is CAUSED BY surgical sexual mutilation) or hip dysplasia which is CAUSED BY a simple NUTRITIONAL DEFICIENCY and is therefore PREVENTABLE simply by NOT FEEDIN GARBAGE COMMERCIAL DIETS <{}:~ ) >
> and possibly harmful to the dog.
Only if you're a IMBECILE like most EVERY professional trainer <{}';~ ) >
> If your dog sits on its own, that is nice and you can say "good dog"
HOWE COME would you praise a dog for just sittin? That's absurd; furtherMOORE the praise is used to INSPIRE and FOCUS the subject on the THOUGHT of "sitting"; praise AFTER the fact is IRRELEVANT and IMMATERIAL but MAY BE CONSEQUENTIAL; may even UNTRAIN the desired behavior by FOCUSING the dog's thought on a REWARD or another behavior which he may have been THINKIN OF DOIN next.
So called REWARDS are actually BRIBES <{}:~ ( >
Your dog should NATURALLY WANT to DO ANYTHING you ask; FOR FREE, shall we say, 'on accHOWENTA', kinda like HOWETA RESPECT, as dogs kids kats horses monkeys goats ferrets an spHOWESES are NATURALLY INCLINED to PREFER.
Wouldn't you agree, hathtobe?
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, onceI told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding everytime.
A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders, The Same Rule Applies To Every Aspect Of The Relationship With Your Dog.
Obedience And Affection Are Not Related, if They Were Everyone Would Have Obedient Dogs.
I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e. "Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND, After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An Obligation To Obey Your Request.
Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No Positive Interaction.
The "trick" here is fixin the drunks an kat lover's forums; they're very very disturbed individuals who shelter comfort reinforce enable and CONtribute to each other's PERSONAL PROBLEMS <{}:~ ( >
> Getting a dog to sit so you can feel like a "man" just shows > you are insecure with yourself and need something to boss > around.
INDEEDY~! An THAT'S HOWE COME my 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Students are taught to ASK for a behavior an PRAISE IT IN ADVANCE an the dog child pussy birdy goat ferret monkey horsey or spHOWES will NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING WE ASK.
An THAT'S HOWE COME the "TRICK" is gonna be fixin up the DRUNK an KAT LOVERS FORUMS; they're dangerHOWESLY ILL folks, but I think maybe you an me can REHABILITATE them, eh?
> You want to make a dog stay while you are on the sidewalk > next to a road? Just keep his/her attention focused on you , > you can actually pet them Jarry, nothing wrong with that after > a while it becomes a habit.
That so, hathtobe? You ever heard of HOWE to install a Pavlovian CONditional Reflex, NEARLY INSTANTLY?
> I rarely use a leash with my dogs nor is my yard fenced,
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HOWEDY iantwright,
iantwri...@gmail.com wrote: > The consensus on here is that I leave my dog > in a crate when I leave for work (8-9 hours)?
Your newfHOWEND pals lock their dogs in boxes 16-20 HOWERS a day for years, iantwright. There AIN'T NUTHIN "NOT WRIGHT" with YOU iant... you're askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET it.
> As opposed to the securely fenced backyard in my house?
THAT'S on accHOWENT of these MENTAL CASES can't train their own dogs not to ESCAPE despite their shock fences and can't train them not to eat poison and bark constantly.
> Could someone explain why that is a bad idea?
Yeah. Your newfHOWEND pal janet's own dog ESCAPED her yard and got PAINCAKED by a car in front of her HOWES. Her other dog COOKED in 104F heat when she COULDN'T GET IT to come inside for the day locked in her crate in her air conditionined HOWES.
> If this is to train the dog, and a temporary > thing, then I can understand that.
INDEED? WHAT "TRAINING" occurs INSIDE A CRATE?
> But if anything else, then I'd love to hear the reasoning.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Here's some of the MENTAL PATIENTS you're askin for "advice":
Beth wrote: > So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting a modular home here within the next few years... put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.
At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.
Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never will....
Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of losing their careers and reputations....
Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and sharing...J;~)
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
> >>> NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY FORUMS until > >>> you've LEARNED HOWE to DEBATE trainin methods.
> >> You dont get it do you Jarry?
O.K., hathtobe; I'll accept that you AIN'T a dog abusin coward just on the basis of you postin anonymHOWESLY; an I'll agree that you APPEAR to be here in the beast interests of dogs <{}:~ ) >
AnyHOWE, I think I LIKE what you're sayin <{}';~ ) >
Let's get DHOWEN to the BUSINESS of IDENTIFYING the PROBLEMS and EXXXPOSING the CAUSES of the "PROBLEMS" and DISCREDITING the PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN professional dog trainers and self puported SHELTER an RESCUE murderers an veterinary MUTILATORS an TOXIFIERS <{}:~ ( >
True enough, it IS a NASTY job; HOWEver, someWON GOTTA DO IT <{}:~ ) >
That "someWON" might just be you an me, Hathtobe <{}:~ ) >
AnyHOWE, we'll see what makes *YOU* tick <{};~ ) >
>> HOWE COME would you praise a dog for just sittin? That's absurd;
Dogs an children should be ***(non-physically) PRAISED IN ADVANCE, PRAISED WHEN ASKED to do sumpthin an PRAISED just for NUTHIN, an PRAISED nearly constantly <{};~ ) >
On accHOWENTA:
>> furtherMOORE the praise is used to INSPIRE and FOCUS the subject >> on the THOUGHT of "sitting"; praise AFTER the fact is IRRELEVANT >> and IMMATERIAL but MAY BE CONSEQUENTIAL;
Realize that I'm talkin abHOWET NON PHYSICAL PRAISE; touching, patting or ANY physical contact INCLUDING so called TREATS will CONfHOWEND the dog or child's ABILITY to THINK, RATIONALIZE an SOLVE problems.
THAT'S the PRINCIPLE CAUSE of temperament and behavior problems; self-professed professional dog trainers cannot appreciate or understand the RISKS and HARM associated with BRIBERY (it's even in the freakin BIBLE) on accHOWENTA THAT'S HOWE THEY WAS RAISED an TAUGHT by their SELF-CONcerned ignorameHOWES INCOMPETENT ABUSIVE parents and PETTY, ILL TRAINED teachers <{}:~ ( >
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual is the ONLY 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY EFFECTIVE NON-PHYSICAL, SCIENTIFIC method in the WHOWEL WILD WORLD <{}';~ ) >
>> may even UNTRAIN the desired behavior by FOCUSING the dog's thought >> on a REWARD or another behavior which he may have been THINKIN OF >> DOIN next.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME dogs an children FAIL to LEARN when self puported EXXXPERT professional OBEDIENCE TRAINERS, parents or school teachers attempt to "train" them.
>> So called REWARDS are actually BRIBES <{}:~ ( >
And THAT'S HOWE COME dogs an children LEARN greed an avarice <{}:~ ) >
THEY ASSIMILATE THEIR ABUSERS MENTAL ILLNESSES <{}:~ ( >
Kinda like allelomimetic behavior, wouldn't you agree, Hathtobe?
>> Your dog should NATURALLY WANT to DO ANYTHING you >> ask; FOR FREE, shall we say, 'on accHOWENTA', kinda like >> HOWETA RESPECT, as dogs kids kats horses monkeys goats >> ferrets an spHOWESES are NATURALLY INCLINED to PREFER.
>> Wouldn't you agree, hathtobe? > Yes.
EXXXCELLENT <{}';~ ) >
> Though I find it interesting that all the "street people" that have > dogs sitting on the sidewalk of a busy downtown street with 1000s of > cars and trucks and people walking past them every day can sit there > and not be afraid or run away while all these people at the dog parks > with their dogs graduating from Puppy University can barely get their > dogs back into their mini vans without a fuss?
Ya know what beeny-boy. I'm starting to like you. I got a dog here that isn't trained to do anything except walk around the neighborhood and come home to sleep and eat. Before her I had another one that did the same thing.
I don't know how to train a dog so I've always wondered why everybody else has these retarded dogs with all these problems. Sometimes people ask me how I trained my dog to do things. They're nuts. Nobody trained her to do anything. Maybe I got lucky with every dog I ever owned, but nobody trained a damn one of them.
Sounds like you're not a dog trainer. You're an untrainer. Like maybe you get them back to the way they'd have been if nobody trained them in the first place.
So what's the story beeny-boy? Howcome I have these easy going dogs and everybody around here has to lock theirs in cages?
Howcome theres all these books and trainers stinking up the frigging world and all I see is retarded dogs all over the place?
What is that shit?
I'm reading through these conversations here, and it's like a friggin nightmare. What's with all these retarded dogs?
ANSWER:
ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR. Look it up... it's ALL EXXXPLAINED in The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual at http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
> I am pretty sure these so called "street people" are not > using any of your or anybody's training techniques.
Oh? Perhaps you'll change your OPINION, Hathtobe?:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
> I assume most of these dogs ran way from their > "nice suburban homes"?
Beth wrote: > So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting a modular home here within the next few years... put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never will....
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
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