Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure your
dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
Don’t you owe it to your dog to find out?

Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!

http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php

Holy crap.

Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try
every trick in the book in an attempt to
prevent you from navigating away from the
page are exactly who I most trust to do
business with....

(no, not really)

At least she has a job! LOL!

Funny. I have two jobs at present.

How 'nout you, char?

You off those addictive pain killers yet?

So you lied in that other group about not having a job? Why would you do
that? Of course, since you responded it means you lied about reading my
posts. Bad habits are hard to break huh?

I own a business.

Why? Are you jealous?

news:P9SdnZJ6-ZjUGlPXnZ2dnUVZ_g9i4p2d@earthlink.com...

Oh yeah. "She" has a job? Spambots are not real.

Try reading for more than simple ammunition
and you might actually start comprehending.

I'm keeping an eye out for a new job in a
field I'm just starting out in.

I still have the two businesses that I run.

Why? Because I forgot to extend my killfile
for you into this obscure newsgroup?

Hardly a lie. Lies are your specialty

And I own two of them. BFD.

Not even a little. But its good to get a
pulse on someone prone to addiction based
outbursts and breaks with reality. So now I
know you're still hip deep into it. Makes it
easy when I know not to bother trying to
reason with an active drug addict.

If you don't want to know why ask?

What hurts you so bad I guess is that I'm just not an addict. I used it
when it was needed, reduced use when other means were found
(chiropractor, massage) and stopped it altogether with no withdrawals at
all. They aren't addictive to everyone Tara, just to addicts and I'm not
one.

I would have thought that you of all people, who is an addict, would
know better than to go that route but I guess in your head you are still
that addict and you can't help what you say. You want so bad for me to
be an addict too, even to the point where you imagine "breaks with
reality" you poor girl.

Being a fellow raw feeder it just points out your real mission here and
that is to disrupt, cause as much trouble as possible and to hide why
you do raw feed. However, having found you posting on a few Yahoo groups
in a very different manner lets me know what you can be, especially
since those groups are moderated. It's a shame you can't be as civil
here but I understand. Every addict needs someplace to explode so they
can let loose steam otherwise pointed at their family and friends.

Who knows what is true and what is a lie with you Tara. Regardless,
since you've posted on those groups in direct opposition to what you say
here we know you do lie frequently and which version is truth really
doesn't matter. You will never be well until you figure out for yourself
why you feel the need to lie and trash people.

Ok. Though your descriptions of your need,
your fuzziness without it, and how you
reacted to it sure did sound a lot like you
had a problem.

Which is not an issue in and of itself at all.

Its the pure hypocrisy of you using drugs
while beating anyone else up for so much as
contemplating easing their own dog's
suffering via modern medicine.

THAT is the sole issue here.

I could care less if you're using pain
killers recreationally, for a single purpose
(which, from your own posts, you *did* have
withdrawal symptoms from, so thanks for lying
yet again. I find it funny when you sacrifice
truth in order to further your agenda), or if
you were laying on a corner with a needle in
your arm: the point remains exactly the same.
You grab onto anything that helps you, while
beating the shit out of others for trying to
help their dogs using the same modern
medicine you glommed onto as soon as you got
"ouchie"

You're full of shit, a liar and a hypocrite
who gives out advice that can kill dogs. The
fact that you abused prescription drugs is
only relevant in that you attack anyone for
so much as giving their dogs antibiotics.

Actually No. I don't define myself that way.

You set yourself for that definition when you
present such hypocrisy. You make it too easy.

Darlin' your reality means bupkis to me. Its
not your addiction that's the issue. its your
hypocrisy. You can't even see how far your
own hypocrisy and willingness to lie extends.

it would be funnier, but for the deadly
advice and attacks you dole out to folks
simply trying to save the health of their pets.

I have never once hidden why I raw feed.

And if you were ever to join the raw/holistic
groups I am in (moderated) with your
hypocrisy and attacks, you'd be tossed out on
your crazy ass faster than you could shout
"I'm Char, a paranoid conspiracy theorist who
can't apply critical thought to even the most
basic information!"

So my agenda is for truth, health and balance.

balance being something you have clearly
never even had a glimpse of from the middle
of your nuthouse.

No. I've had battles in some of those groups
as well. In the same way.

the difference is that people aren't allowed
to stoop to the same level of mud slinging
you go to regularly, and because I tend to
only join groups that are guided by rational
and critical thought rather than insanity.

If you brought your insanity into those
groups the way you do here, you'd be out on
your ass in 5 seconds flat.

I was. Towards you. For a long time.

You stopped earning civility a long time ago.

I reverse your own challenge. You wouldn't
get away with your behavior in any of the
groups I'm in without being banned. The thing
is, I have many....MANY civil relationships
here. You don't have any....excpet with the
one person who is banned from every site
known to man.

So really, who'd the one exhibiting issues
with civility? The one who can't get along
with *anyone*, or the one who can't get along
with a handful of people?

I'd say you should have been looking in the
morrow for that entore diatribe.

But I truly dare you to post there the way
you do here. I already have had debates and
real disagreements there.

No, actually. Maybe that's just you.

Uh, no.

Unlike you, I post ubder my real name (always
have) and have beenn forthright about who I
am, where I live, and what I do.

The one who keeps herself shrouded in secrecy
is YOU.

And even your short, anonymous posting
history is frought with direct contradictions
and hypocrisy.

So in geberal its starting to look like very
time you want to post an insult or a dig, you
should just go spout off into a
mirror.....you'd be far more accurate in your
finger pointing that way.

No I haven't.

I have always been very upfront about my path
and my explorations in this area. There are
no contradictions at all.

I love that you've tried to lie about that
already.

It won't be hard at all to see what groups
your doing this in. Step out of line, and
your ass will be hostory. And the best part
is that I won't have to do a THING to make it
happen. You'll self destruct on your own.

Saying something over and over again doesn't
make it true.

Since you're probably taking the word of a
*known* liar anyway, your assertions here
don't mean much. You have provben that you
actually *value* lying. You lie. Your only
"buddy" here lies regularly. You embrace
lying....as long as it promotes your bitter
agenda.

Me? I tend to let it all set where it falls.
That's why I don't post anonymously (which is
your main cloak and shield for your own lies,
by the way). Lying? Not so much.

Again....go check the mirror before you go there.

I'm perfectly well.

You? not so much.

(I'll leave araa in just in case anyone there
wants to have a good laugh.)

Ha ha ha! I missed this the first time since
it was buried in the front.

Only your complete lack of reading for
content leads you to believe I asked any such
thing about your business.

You read them as separate statements. They
were not separate until you separated them.
In other words, once again, you went out of
your way to change a context in order to
misrepresent what someone was saying.

I could care less about your career, nor did
I ever inquire about it.

I was asking if you'd gotten off painkillers
yet, even as you post often telling people
who give their dogs modern medicine that
they're killing them with it.

A huge bunch of crap so I snipped it.

My previous answer still stands, more so than ever. Poor Tara!

I noticed you are listed anonymously oin the
yahoo groups as well.

Looks like I'm not the one with things to hide.

Poor Char.

Since you don't know who I am you don't have a clue if I posted
anonymously or not and you don't know which groups I belong to either.

I really bug you for some reason.... poor Tara!

It was an easy deduction.

You bug a LOT of people Char. Mostly because
of the deadly advice you give. If you halted
that, you would barely register on anyone's
radar.

There has never been any "deadly" advice. I've seen plenty of it from
the others on here though. Pushing pesticides would be a great example.
Not being able to comprehend the damage caused by vaccines is another.
Those flea products kill and maim dogs. The vaccines do too!

The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed
autoantibodies to their own DNA. They also found that vaccinated dogs
were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. The vaccinated,
but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed
autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including fibronectin,
laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.

This means that the vaccinated dogs -- ”but not the non-vaccinated
dogs”-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation
between tissues and organs in a living organism.

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html

Tara, if you didn't lie about me so much you'd have nothing to say.

Only in your head Tara. Think about it. I do admit, sometimes you make
me laugh.

You're not making sense.

Glad you're having fun though.

<< Those flea products kill and maim dogs. The vaccines do too!

I read your post about how to manage fleas without the use of
chemicals, and I have wanted to ask - seriously - if you have really,
ever, tried to manage fleas with a flea comb and a vacuum?
Personally, I cannot be successful in eradicating fleas with this
approach, and I am skeptical that very many other dog owners can
either.  History has shown this method to be ineffective, which has
led to other methods eradication of fleas.

<< The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed

Please explain this further, since it has been my long held
understanding that auto-antibodies, or antibodies in general, are
formed against PROTEINS, and Not DNA.

Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.

I use more than that but nothing even close to being a pesticide. A
vacuum is about the most effective tool in flea eradication. I've also
put a light over some soapy water at night and killed fleas that way. I
use DE or boric acid in the carpets. I give the dogs frequent baths.

Simply raw feeding can reduce the amount of fleas on a dog, as well as
using homeopathic remedies. A healthy dog isn't as much a victim of
fleas, and the reduction in the amount of fleas here tells me raw
feeding has vastly improved their health right in front of my eyes.

So you see, there is more to it than using a comb and a vacuum. There
are many things that help and utilizing as many as possible does make it
possible to eradicate fleas or at the least knock them down to a minor
inconvenience. I see no "flea allergies" since I started raw feeding my
pets.

The link explains this, just read it.
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html

It would be silly for me to copy and paste it all here when you can
click on it.

Char is a conspiracy theorist. For those who question her motives,
"research", or theories, she accuses them of killing dogs. She claims that
since we own an animal hospital that we kill animals because we sell
Frontline and Advantage. It has *never* happened and our records show that
the life expectency of our patients has dramatically increased in the last
10 years, but somehow she thinks she knows otherwise. However, we do see a
fair share of pets who suffer and die from flea bite anemia.

Combing and vaccuuming does not eliminate the pet as host to these
parasites. If your child had lice would you comb and vaccuum them?

Since my killfile even hates her and pukes her out every now and then, I'm
sure I'll see her conspiracy tirade soon enough.

-Sharon

On Oct 13, 9:39 pm, Char <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:

And here is the link to your guru's credentials...

<<http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/whoami.html>>

Silly indeed.

I remain unimpressed.

Linda H.

I read one of the studies (the one on Great Danes), and I remain
unconvinced. Even IF (see below) the autoimmune deficiencies could be
detected and linked to the repeated vaccinations, it does not seem to
have any measurable effect on the dogs' life expectancy.

To quote from the study:

"Hypothesis 3: Vaccinated compared with unvaccinated Great Dane dogs
have a significantly higher risk of autoimmune diseases, particularly
hypothyroidism.

We were unable to test this hypothesis ... the long-term potential
adverse consequence of repeated vaccination is likely to remain unknown."

The choice of words in this last sentence is unfortunate, since it
suggests that there *must* be an adverse consequence --- we just haven't
found it yet. But until a study proves the presence of such an adverse
effect, I'd much rather not have to contemplate the prospects of my dog
getting rabies, thank you very much!

HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too, veterinary malpractice
office manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar, dog
abuser, coward, animal murderin FRAUD mental case,

news:HbydnfU6fLHIxUvXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@neonova.net...

"THEORY" means  unproven suppHOWESITION, don't it, sharon?

"Seem" Chardonnay9 GOT EVIDENCE, not THEORIES <{}:~ ( >

You'll do an say ANY THING to DEFEND your alledged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE
MUTILATE an MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT
<{}:~ ( >

Might sharon the veterinary obfuscationist care to refute the SCIENCE?

THEORIES KILL DOGS, don't they, sharon?

INDEED? Naaaah. Chardonnay9 has clearly indicted *you* <{}';~ ) >

INDEEDY. You surgically digitally an sexually MUTILATE innocent kats an
dogs.

Don't forget the rest of your apuproved veterinary toxins <{}:~ ( >

You mean you DON'T REALIZE it happens ALL THE TIME, you MENTAL CASE.

INDEED? Then your own records DISAGREE with the STATISTICS <{}:~ ( >

You're a PROVEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASE, remember, sharon?

INDEED? They're former CASH CUSTOMERS for your ineffective flea treatments
<{}:~ ( >

Of curse not~!

Of curse not~! You ever heard of SOAP an WATER?? "Cleanlieness
is next to G-dlieness", remember, sharon?

"Seem" it was *you* who opened her post, remember, sharon?

Or was you havin a other PSYCHOTIC BREAK from reality??

Naaah. Just try readin the INFORMATION on her links <{};~ ) >

                             LIKE THIS:

                                VETERINARY QUOTES:

      Regarding contributing factors to disease in pets:

      Classical Veterinary Homeopathy - Michael Dym, VMD, Dr. Dym is a
presidential scholar graduate from Cornell University with his VMD from
Penn. He is an active member of the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy and the
American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association.

      "Over the past 40 years and 17 generations of dogs and, cats we are
seeing tremendous increases in chronic ill health in our pets that was rare
back in the early 1960's. Most of these illnesses revolve around breakdown
in our pets' immune systems, and include chronic skin/ear allergies,
digestive upset, thyroid/adrenal/pancreatic disorders, seizures, gum/ teeth
problems, degenerative arthritis, kidney/liver failure, and cancer across
all ages and breeds. We are also seeing a record number of behavioral and
emotional disorders including alarming and unexplained fears/aggression., as
well as difficulty focusing/training and paying attention. The analogy of
these compared with escalating immune/behavioral diseases in children is
quite disturbing. The two biggest factors in our pets' population health
decline over these generations has been the severe overuse of multiple
vaccines and nutrient poor and toxin filled commercial pet foods. We have
also failed to address the underlying cause of disease by only sup pressing
symptoms with antibiotics, cortisone and related drugs, so the disease
progresses and goes deeper. "

                         -----------------------------------------------

                            BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!

HOWEDY dra. linda you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long
INCURALBE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,

news:7d8b32d4-c13c-4871-8af6-5689eeee4961@a7g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 9:39 pm, Char <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Perhaps you learned WRONG, eh, dra. hungerford?

Yeahbutt... it'd mean havin to actually SEE the OFFENSIVE INFORMATION <{}:~
( >

<<http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/whoami.html>>

All the GURU is doin is REPORTING CASE HISTORY DATA, dra. hungerford,
KINDA JUST LIKE HOWE The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard IDENTIFIES
EXXXPOSES an DISCREDITS you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASES; REMEMBER, dra.??

INDEED?

Well PERHAPS it'd IMPRESS my readers if they READ your own POSTED CASE
HISTORY
of LIES INTIMIDATION ABUSE an MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters an
LYIN
abHOWET IT??

                       LIKE THIS:

dra. linda hungerford, psychiatrist, wrote:

INDEED? An you THINK that'll prevent your dogs from ESCAPIN your abuse?

dra. linda hungerford aka tallgrass's  St. Bernard jumped her six foot
fence and ESCAPED <{); ~ ) >

AND THEN he TURNED ON HER for CHOKIN an SHOCKIN
HIM and then SHE MURDERED IT on accHOWENTA THAT'S
what lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES DO <{}:~ ( >

                 AIN'T IT <{}: ~ ( >

                        LIKE THIS:

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 28 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

<news:MPG.1a81012ee778ddbb98ac89@news.west.earthlink.net>...

True, in part.  The ankle-biters, though, can be
picked up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.

Linda H.
                       ----------------------

                          INDEED?

       And as for the BIG dogs, dra. linda?

                      WHAT THEN??

      YOU MURDER THEM, THAT'S WHAT <{}:~ ( >

You mean when they GO INSANE an ESCAPE your "secure" puppy mill kennels?

INDEED? dra. linda couldn't find her own arse in the dark with both hands
<{}:~ ( >

INDEED?

Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Tallgrass Prairie Kennels
Saints and Danes, spoilt rotten

(she means jerked choked shocked
intimidated and murdered)

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 5 Feb 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

<news:uY-dnavwu6_WEb_dRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...

So.....if a tree falls in the forest, or the list....?????

!!!!!

Linda H.

                        --------------------------------

Not to worry dra. linda hunger, they're ALL INDELLIBLY ARCHIVED
FOREVER in The Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic Research
 Laboratory Archives:

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 28 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

<news:MPG.1a81012ee778ddbb98ac89@news.west.earthlink.net>...

True, in part.  The ankle-biters, though, can be
picked up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.

Linda H.

                       ----------------------

HOWE COME do you want to lock your dogs in a box like HOWE
 these LIFE-LONG INCURABLE MENTAL PATIENTS PREFER?

INDEED? You mean a dog AIN'T a dog?

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 31 Jan 2004

Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

<news:MPG.1a847a3ffbe331f598ac98@news.west.earthlink.net>...

<<<vbeg>>>.....dare ya to give a scruff shake and eye
contact to a 33 1/2 mastiff breed/saint/dane, that
yesterday chomped onto your arm...

I expect delivery of my copy of this book sometime next
week.  Found a good price on a lightly used copy thru
Amazon.com.

Scary stuff, trying to assert dominance over a dominant
aggressive dog that weighs 150# +/-, and has learned to bite.

 Trust me, very scary.

Linda H.

HOWE did the dog LEARN to "ASSERT DOMINANCE", Doctor linda?:

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 22 Jan 2004

Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

"The Rock Garden" <hens...@povn.com> wrote in message
<news:iZadnVSYT7apBo3dRVn_iw@povn.com>...

Me, I have thought that some may be wondering if I
am lurking out here, waiting to psychoanalyze them,
so some are not posting.  !!!!!!!  hehe...only our
hairdressers know for sure!!!

<AND so will Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic
Research Laboratory, dra linda, which means the
WHOLE WILD WORLD is gonna KNOW.>

Secondly....I was bitten by a Very Big Dog last night,
so have been tormented the last two days with the worries
of what to do with this previously abused dog.

<"PREVIOUSLY", dra linda?>

Currently, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and
will not repeat my behavior which incited the biting incident -
the application of a choke chain collar right behind the ears.

Yowzer!!!!!...instant vicious (briefly) saint bernard.

<"BRIEFLY", being that YOU MURDERED IT because
you have a MENTAL ILLNESS, dral linda: "Physican,
HEEL THYSELF".>

Third...prior to yesterday, I was obsessed with trying
to find this obsolete part for my Ariens snowblower, so
have been searching the web adn sending out emails.

Futile endeavors, to date, btw.

So...we be Busy!!!

Linda H.

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: dj_macint...@hotmail.com (DJ)
Date: 2 Feb 2004 05:27:00 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

It's called (DJ says with disgust) "Stringing them up".
The proceedure is that you grab the dog by a CHOKE collar,
and suspend it from it until the dog almost passes out,
then you release it.

 It is *supposed* to teach the dog to obey you or you will kill it.

 I DO NOT support, suggest, or perform that technique;
 I'm just passing it on for information.

 It is still popular with some of the VERY old school
 trainers; and yes, it has, occasionally, killed the dog.

DJ

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 26 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?

<news:MPG.1a7ae6e26f9f92cd98ac78@news.west.earthlink.net>...

...

mais »

Actually, no, it's not. Who is that?

This is the author here:
http://www.canine-health-concern.org.uk/

You don't matter. The general public does. So you tortured and killed
your pet St Bernard huh? I remain disgusted.