> "Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:EhAGm.160$CK3.59@newsfe12.iad...
>> The Engineer wrote:

>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:35:21 +1100, Steve wrote:

>>>>"The Engineer" <not_h...@nooosppamm.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:6oTFm.50476$ze1.38755@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

>>>>>I have some ideas on how to save yourself some time in Gaol

>>>>>I traced your IP address.

>>>>>I can't believe any one can be so stupid as to use their real first
>>>>>name and threaten assault Killing a dog in writing.  I bet your
>>>>>"lightening quick fuse" means you have form

>>>>Enough form to deal with a disability pension cheat with a fag earring

>>> Pension cheat?  What do you base that on?  You a fucking Doctor?  I
>>> don't think you even finished High school.

>>>>>I have observed this jerk at the dog park.  He is a fat lump of lard in
>>>>>red shirt with a brown lab that is scared of it's own shadow (Wonder
>>>>>why that is?)   The real reason he is upset with the owner of the
>>>>>Huskies is because he asked him to pick up his dog's dog carp.  He sits
>>>>>on his fat arse on the bench and does not watch his dog.

>>>>Like I told him, he'd remember if he told me to do something because the
>>>>reply would be fuck off.

>>> So you admit you don't pick up after your dog.  Did you tell the Ranger
>>> that?

>>>>>He struts around the park saying "You have been warned" and has very
>>>>>strongly abused  a family father, mother and eight year old boy  at the
>>>>>park uses simply because they do
>>>>>not agree with his view of the world.

>>>>>Forget about dogs YOU ARE PROBLEM.

>>>>I told you you've been warned not to poke your unemployed
>>>>welfarecheating nose into my business again.

>>> Or else what?????   People want to know!!

>>>>You lied to someone so you could

>>> What did he lie about?  What business of yours did he poke his nose
>>> into.

>                  <SNIP>

>>>>> EVERYONE A FAVOUR - KILL YOURSELF

>>>>Only disabled pension cheats who can't afford antidepressants kill
>>>>themself.. Blow yourself up in your shitbox Jeep and get rid of 2
>>>>worthless pieces of shit.

>>> So the anti-depressants are working for you -  Think you better see a
>>> Psychiatrist and get some anti-psychotics.

>>> So much for your whine about the bullying behaviour of a
>>> couple of Huskies.  I think everyone in this news group can
>>> see what a piece of shit you are.  FAT LUMP OF CRAP!!!

>> Anybody still wonder why I stay out of public dog parks?

> INDEED? You're just a other lyin sack of crap who can't
> handle raise or train her own fear aggressive hyperactive
> imbecile children horses or dogs, kathleen:

> "Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:hnKrm.65853$Y83.40924@newsfe21.iad...
>> Steve wrote:

>>> "Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:t6Krm.65852$Y83.11581@newsfe21.iad...

>>>>Stay away from public dog parks?

> EXXXCELLENT ADVICE~! kathleen does likeWIZE on accHOWENTA
> she CAN'T TRAIN HER OWN fear aggressive / shy / hyperactive dogs.

>>>>IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.

> But of curse~! And kathleen "SEEM" to GOT IT ALL~!

> You an your ill trained HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs are a threat to EVERY WON.

>>> Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.

> Two or three of kathleen's own dogs are JUST LIKE THAT
> even amongst each other~!

>> It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need to
>> "socialize" my dogs (or myself).

> INDEED? You're a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
> murderin MENTAL CASE who's OWN DOGS are AGGRESSIVE
> to dogs AND PEOPLE at the doggy park~!

>> I've got a big back yard, access to hundreds of acres of trails, creeks
>> and ponds, a pack of four dogs to interact with one
>> another and no burning desire to chat with semi-strangers with
>> ill-mannered dogs.

> Oh? Oh, INDEED??

>              BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

> kat wrote:
>> "Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:2XXLl.9051$zm7.8266@newsfe19.iad...

>>>kat wrote:

>>>>"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:dSWLl.11295$BZ3.3119@newsfe12.iad...

>>>>>Janet Boss wrote:

>>>>>>In article <uIKdnSBWX53Uk53XnZ2dnUVZ_oCdn...@posted.localnet>,
>>>>>>"kat" <katla...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we are outside.  It
>>>>>>>happens mostly when Shadow is running and/or chasing a ball.
>>>>>>>Distracting her with her own ball chase doesn't work.  I generally
>>>>>>>corral her and work on a quiet command but so far no luck .  Since
>>>>>>>I'm a novice at this training stuff any tips would be appreciated :)

>>>>>>>Kathy

>>>>>>I'm not sure why the above behavior is actually a problem.  Sounds
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>PLAY to me!    I've had pups who grab onto the older dog's tail while
>>>>>>they fetch, jump all over them, whatever.  It evolves with training
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>one-on-one play.

>>>>>I don't know if it's play or not.  Cooper chases Zane when Zane's
>>>>>playing ball, running alongside, barking maniacally and nipping at his
>>>>>flanks, neck, face and ears.

>>>>Sounds like what is happening here.  Sometimes she does the running and
>>>>nipping as he is chasing the ball (no barking) and then all three on the
>>>>way

>>>>back. Are we doomed to taking them out separately?  That creates
>>>>problems too as the one left behind in the house goes nuts.

>>>How well do they interact when there's no ball involved?

>> Not well.  Only recently has Shadow started tolerating Remi a shade more.
>> There is still frequent growling and lashing out.  Of course Remi's habit
>> of
>> bounding and jumping into a situation (regardless of which animal happens
>> to be in the way) doesn't help.

>>> Zane seems oblivious to Cooper's badgering as long as he's got a ball.
>>> But on a couple of occasions Zane has gotten stressed at various other
>>> factors and has lashed out at Cooper for relatively minor infractions
>>> (assuming you didn't know their cummulative history).

>>>If Shadow's not venting on Remi at other times I'd assume it's play and
>>>ignore the noise.

>> No it's not play on Shadow's end.  I'm not sure what it is on Remi's end.

>>  In my situation, I avoid allowing Cooper to antagonize Zane, even
>> though Zane is not visibly reacting to the provocation at the time.  He's
>> clearly keeping score on some level.

>> Yes we stop any negative interaction as soon as it occurs too.  I'm
>> hoping
>> it eases in time and was hoping that some time outside together might
>> speed
>> that but it doesn't appear to be doing that.

> Nope.  Given the severity of the potential consequences this comes down
> to management.  And since my husband works night and I have three dogs,
> I do understand the difficulty of splitting the dogs up so they don't
> wind up confronting each other OR waking up other household members.
> Training is a logistical nightmare.

> Sometimes this involves piling all of them into the van, driving to a
> vacant lot, crating two of the three and working the odd man out.  Or I
> wait until my husband has left for work, go out back and let the other
> two bark their heads off in their crates in the house.

> They are all insanely jealous of each other.

> My daughter and her boyfriend adopted a rescued BC puppy that I've been
> babysitting periodically.  She has been hinting broadly that perhaps I
> might begin clicker training with him.

> No frackin' way.  Without further major disarrangement of social order
> and living arrangements, it ain't gonna happen.  I can't even train my
> own dogs with him around.

>                        ----------------------------

> KathleenFrom:  Kathleen
> Date:  Sun, Jun 9 2002
> Groups:   alt.mountain-bike

>    I've been debating on when to start Zane's trail training.

> He's 10 months old, and still growing, so that rules out any long
> rides. That's okay.  I'm still recovering from the virus from hell,
> or, more specifically, some of its nastier side effects, so I wasn't
> planning a long ride anyways.

> And Zane mostly comes when he's called.  *Mostly*, which really
> isn't good enough, not on its own.  But Zane follows Scully like he's
> attached to her by invisible bungee cords, and Scully ALWAYS
> comes when she's called, so I felt fairly safe with taking both of
> them.

>    I loaded up the bike and we headed out to Lost Valley.  It was the
> middle of the day, in the middle of the week, so I figured there'd be
> little or no trail traffic to deal with.  Both dogs went high-stepping
> around the parking lot, trying to get used to the feel of their boots.

>    Zane added a new twist by mule-kicking with both hind legs
> simultaneously, trying to throw off his shoes.  When I laughed at him,
> he grabbed my wrist in his jaws, gently enough that the skin was barely
> dented, while growling playfully.

> So I flipped him onto his back and held him down until he quit thrashing -
> the canine equivalent of saying  "Uncle".  He seems to be suffering from
> some sort of short term memory deficit.

> We have to review his place on the totem pole on a daily basis, lest he
> come to believe that he holds that much coveted alpha postion.

> When we headed out, he and Scully ran shoulder to shoulder, hauling
> ass on down the trail.  In a