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I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, open office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng printing system.
There is a bodgy entry you can make to gtkrc that allows you to enter a lpr command, but this totally ignores all the configuration(papersize, margins, etc) in the lpr/lprng printing system.
So, I need to dump Debian and goes to another distro that still supports lpr/lprng by default.
Is there any?
<if I wanted to play with drivers, I run frigging microsoft windows>
Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
> I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop > support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, > open office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng printing > system.
apt-cache search lprng
> So, I need to dump Debian and goes to another distro that still supports > lpr/lprng by default.
Yes, do that.
> Is there any?
Brain 1.0, awesome distro you don't need patches, updates etc.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:51:36 +0000, Burkhard Ott wrote: > Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
>> I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop >> support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, >> open office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng printing >> system.
> apt-cache search lprng
That is as useful as the rest of your post your moronic idiot. The package is there, I have it installed but the application no longer interact with the intelligence of the whole lpr/lprng system, so you are left to enter a complicated string each time you want to print something.
> Brain 1.0, awesome distro you don't need patches, updates etc.
Yep, typical egos that now infest linux and are slavishly sucking up to become wanna bes Microsoft bum boys.
Actually, the real solution is to dump any modern "linux" application. If it doesn't have roots in unix, then it is guaranteed to be crud or close to.
terryc wrote: > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:51:36 +0000, Burkhard Ott wrote:
>> Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
>>> I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop >>> support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, >>> open office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng printing >>> system. >> apt-cache search lprng
> That is as useful as the rest of your post your moronic idiot. The > package is there, I have it installed but the application no longer > interact with the intelligence of the whole lpr/lprng system, so you are > left to enter a complicated string each time you want to print something.
>> Brain 1.0, awesome distro you don't need patches, updates etc.
> Yep, typical egos that now infest linux and are slavishly sucking up to > become wanna bes Microsoft bum boys.
> Actually, the real solution is to dump any modern "linux" application. If > it doesn't have roots in unix, then it is guaranteed to be crud or close > to.
Perhaps you might look at minix ? old style as or maybe plan 9
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:13:41 +1000, atec 7 7 wrote: >> Actually, the real solution is to dump any modern "linux" application. >> If it doesn't have roots in unix, then it is guaranteed to be crud or >> close to. > Perhaps you might look at minix ? > old style as or maybe plan 9
Naah, there are plenty of unix applications that work well. It is just a question of the platform to run them.
The generic problem infesting Linux is this myopic race to be just like windows and to this end they are just loading the OS with so many background processes, that it is just going to become as holey and insecure as windows.
14 years of Linux and it still requires mountains of administration and constantly demands bigger and more powerful hardware.
atec 7 7 wrote: > terryc wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:51:36 +0000, Burkhard Ott wrote:
>>> Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
>>>> I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop >>>> support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, >>>> open office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng printing >>>> system. >>> apt-cache search lprng
>> That is as useful as the rest of your post your moronic idiot. The >> package is there, I have it installed but the application no longer >> interact with the intelligence of the whole lpr/lprng system, so you >> are left to enter a complicated string each time you want to print >> something.
>>> Brain 1.0, awesome distro you don't need patches, updates etc.
>> Yep, typical egos that now infest linux and are slavishly sucking up >> to become wanna bes Microsoft bum boys.
>> Actually, the real solution is to dump any modern "linux" application. >> If it doesn't have roots in unix, then it is guaranteed to be crud or >> close to. > Perhaps you might look at minix ? > old style as or maybe plan 9
Hey...cool
I've fooled with Minix and Plan 9
Though Minix was really designed more as a "classroom" in which to teach the fundamentals of operating systems...I think that Plan 9 is really great for serious "techies" .
To the OP...I think you'd enjoy Plan 9
but to get right to the heart of your question...
I'd at least look into Gentoo or perhaps Slackware
You're going to have a lot more control with what's going on in your system
Burkhard Ott wrote: > Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
>> I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop >> support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, >> open office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng printing >> system.
<snip>
> Brain 1.0, awesome distro you don't need patches, updates etc.
> Burkhard Ott wrote: >> Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
>>> I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop >>> support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, >>> open office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng >>> printing system.
terryc wrote: > I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to drop > support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that firefox/iceweael, open > office, etc can no longer print directly to the lpr/lprng printing system.
> There is a bodgy entry you can make to gtkrc that allows you to enter a > lpr command, but this totally ignores all the configuration(papersize, > margins, etc) in the lpr/lprng printing system.
> So, I need to dump Debian and goes to another distro that still supports > lpr/lprng by default.
> Is there any?
> <if I wanted to play with drivers, I run frigging microsoft windows>
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:27:36 -0600, philo wrote: > atec 7 7 wrote: >> terryc wrote: >>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:51:36 +0000, Burkhard Ott wrote:
>>>> Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
>>>>> I have just found out that the arseholes behind debian decided to >>>>> drop support for lpr/lprng printing. The result is that >>>>> firefox/iceweael, open office, etc can no longer print directly to >>>>> the lpr/lprng printing system. >>>> apt-cache search lprng
>>> That is as useful as the rest of your post your moronic idiot. The >>> package is there, I have it installed but the application no longer >>> interact with the intelligence of the whole lpr/lprng system, so you >>> are left to enter a complicated string each time you want to print >>> something.
>>>> Brain 1.0, awesome distro you don't need patches, updates etc.
>>> Yep, typical egos that now infest linux and are slavishly sucking up >>> to become wanna bes Microsoft bum boys.
>>> Actually, the real solution is to dump any modern "linux" application. >>> If it doesn't have roots in unix, then it is guaranteed to be crud or >>> close to. >> Perhaps you might look at minix ? >> old style as or maybe plan 9
> Hey...cool
> I've fooled with Minix and Plan 9
> To the OP...I think you'd enjoy Plan 9
What did you do with it? I should call you a bastard because the last thing I need is another excuse not to cull all those old systems (~20) I still have in the garage and when I saw "distributed", aaaaaargh.
> but to get right to the heart of your question...
> I'd at least look into Gentoo or perhaps Slackware
Ok, I at least had the latest slack on torrent (blown away unfortunately). Will need to see if I burnt an iso copy.
> You're going to have a lot more control with what's going on in your > system
The biggest problem is that default Linux installs just scream for bigger and more expensive hardware. If you want to do anything different, then you are basically left on your own. I'm not a fan of slavishly copying everything microsoft does/did to compete with it.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:32:48 -0500, Van Chocstraw wrote: > Try FreeBSD or Opensolaris.
Tried Opensolaris yesterday, but default is gnome on the livecd, ack! (grind up). Need to work out how to just get a basic terminal system and add a lighter WM like icewm.
terryc wrote: > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:27:36 -0600, philo wrote:
>> atec 7 7 wrote: >>> terryc wrote: >>>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:51:36 +0000, Burkhard Ott wrote:
>>>>> Am Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:22:03 +0000 schrieb terryc:
<snipped for brevity>
>> Hey...cool
>> I've fooled with Minix and Plan 9
>> To the OP...I think you'd enjoy Plan 9
> What did you do with it? > I should call you a bastard because the last thing I need is another > excuse not to cull all those old systems (~20) I still have in the garage > and when I saw "distributed", aaaaaargh.
LOL
I have a whole hell of a lot of obsolete machines I fool with from time to time...even a Kaypro.
As to Minux I did not do much more than simply install it and have a look...
but with Plan 9 I got as far as putting it on-line and fooling with Abaco
>> but to get right to the heart of your question...
>> I'd at least look into Gentoo or perhaps Slackware
> Ok, I at least had the latest slack on torrent (blown away > unfortunately). Will need to see if I burnt an iso copy. >> You're going to have a lot more control with what's going on in your >> system
> The biggest problem is that default Linux installs just scream for bigger > and more expensive hardware. If you want to do anything different, then > you are basically left on your own. I'm not a fan of slavishly copying > everything microsoft does/did to compete with it.
Well I refused for a long time to jump on the upgrade bandwagon... but I had so many spare parts in my junk box I was able to build a few relatively high end machines.
Yes, Linux is getting a bit more bloated than it used to be... but is lagging Microsoft considerably in that area.
terryc wrote: > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:32:48 -0500, Van Chocstraw wrote:
>> Try FreeBSD or Opensolaris.
> Tried Opensolaris yesterday, but default is gnome on the livecd, ack! > (grind up). Need to work out how to just get a basic terminal system and > add a lighter WM like icewm.
> will keep BSd in mind.
> thanks
Well you could use a live puppy but of course getting a ompiler working is fun.. I still think plan 9 might be suitable I have an old xeom here running some sata cards without problem ( server)
> terryc wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:32:48 -0500, Van Chocstraw wrote:
> >> Try FreeBSD or Opensolaris.
> > Tried Opensolaris yesterday, but default is gnome on the livecd, ack! > > (grind up). Need to work out how to just get a basic terminal system and > > add a lighter WM like icewm.
> > will keep BSd in mind.
> > thanks
> Well you could use a live puppy but of course getting a ompiler working > is fun.. I still think plan 9 might be suitable > I have an old xeom here running some sata cards without problem ( server)
I like the UNIX design philosophy where each program does only one thing, and does that one thing exceedingly well. However, the idea is dead. IMHO, this trend in killing the UNIX design came X11. Modular X from Xorg is better, but still isn't quite right. The guys over at MicroXwin have done amazing things, but their code isn't all opensource... which also isn't very *nix of them. GNOME and KDE and even XFCE are all examples of leaving UNIX roots because they large unsightly programs in them, that definitely do more than one thing... and do nothing well. Firefox suffers the same flaw. Uzbl web browser is a good step in the right direction for a UNIX style web browser, but its plugin interface to give things like a menu is somewhat inefficient. As a programmer, I could do everything myself, but as often happens, programmers tend to specialize in certain types of software, this is why we need teams of developers. Someone ought to gather all of the UNIX loving programmers out there together and get them to make a truly UNIXed Linux... but that someone would have to have deep pockets, and massive amounts of patience.
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